New case for the sust argument...

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

I'm about to start some sust and I was wondering if this could be true. People who have used sustanon on a twice per week basis have noted significant gains, not much less than the recomended everyother day. Of course shooting every other day will produce more dramatic gains because simply there is more testosterone. The argument seems to be that people believe in keeping the blood levels at a consistant rate. Yet, some still gain better with sust than a single, long acting ester such as enanthate. My belief is that it might be just as good, mabye even better to get extremely high peak levels rather than a consistant but lower level of testosterone in the blood. If one were to inject 2cc of sust at a time, twice per week instead of four 1 cc shots a week, I think that person's gains would be more dramatic. I think the idea of higher peak levels makes for better gains, the ony problem then is retaining them. Take dbol for example, it is in and out of your blood in about 5 hours, yet it has significant effects on gains, even if taken in a single dose daily. Im no professional but I have experiemented with this myself. When, for example, I hit a platue during my cycle, I tend to change up my routine a bit and normally it works. For instance, instead of splitting my dbol dosage throughout the day, I will take the whole daily dose in one serving early in the day. This completely pushes my body to grow, regardless of how accustom my body has become to test. Like I said, I might be wrong, but I think there is something good about higher peak test levels, even if they are sustained consistantly. Its like asking what does more damage, rain for a week straight or a flood storm on a single day? You may see my point. I just figure there has to be a reason why sust is so popular when the tests that are supposed to be more reliable are cheaper and easier to find.

[Patuba]

Anabolics 2002 has a good section on Sus.

[shortz]

I can see where you're going with this...unfortunately, it is extremely hard to maintain consistant levels to begin with. I find that with a single ester, sides don't seem to be as bad...this could be the fact that multiple esters will make your hormones fluctuate. I have a tendency to get acne with rising test. With sust, if my blood levels rise, then fall, rise then fall...my acne is hardewr to control.

IMHO, I believe the reason sust gives god gains is because of short and medium esters in it. They seem to have a little more kick at the beginning of a cycle. In a longer cycle though...16 weeks +, the longer esters will have similar results to a very short ester.

I have read several articles about how to use sust. To be honest, it's mostly theory and the only person I feel that could be able to keep them consistant would be a HRT doc or Endo along with blood work and evals.

As far as dbol and other tabs are concerned, I don't even use them anymore. I like to run 14 week long cycles with only injectables. I haven't seen anything as a result of using tabs that would convince me that I am any further than if I wouldn't have used them.

[einstein1905]

Test spikes are good, but they're bad too. Here's the deal:
You're at a high, even plasma test level, then you increase dosage to induce a spike. This results in a possible upregulation of ARs and a higher probability of test:AR binding. It also causes an upregulation of SHBG. Now you dip back to your lower test level, and you still have a higher SHBG level. As for the receptors, it's my contention that downregulation does occur during prolonged exposure to supraphysiological doses of AAS. It's been clearly shown in vitro, but not yet in vivo. For all the people that argue otherwise and try to explain gains plateauing as a cycle progresses by saying the body is merely trying to maintain "homeostasis", you people have to consider HOW the body attempts to maintain homeostasis. WHAT is causing gains to cease? AR downregulation is very logical and is how most other ligand receptor systems are regulated.
Fluctuating plasma levels are also clearly associated with more sides.
Yes, people do make good gains with 2x/wk sust injections. That doesn't mean that's the best way to do it, and it certainly doesn't mean you won't gain better with more frequent injections to maintain an even plasma level.
You simply will not be able to control all of the cariables that will contribute to varied gains between cycles. There is NO way to accurately compare which way is beter. I do respect people who actually put thought into these types of things though.

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

einstien, I aprreciate your thoughts. Also, I do understand that most of the articles floating around about how to appropraitely use AAS are merely theory. I find a lot of articles that say EOD is a must, others that say ED is a must, and even one that said to shoot sust ED for 3 weeks and let the esters run their course. Anyway, I have trouble explaining this to myself but I seem to acheive more significant gains from sust than I do from enanthate. It could be that I'm using shitty enanthate but who knows. I'm going to try shooting sust 3x a week with 30mg dbol a day and 400mgs of eq a week. Should be a good cycle for some quality size and strength. Thanks for the input...

[Bob Smith]

I tend to agree with Einstein...more fluctuations = more sides.

Plus, Ive seen a number of reports showing that sust acts as a single ester and not individually as many people believe.

[einstein1905]

Originally Posted by Bob Smith

I tend to agree with Einstein...more fluctuations = more sides.

Plus, Ive seen a number of reports showing that sust acts as a single ester and not individually as many people believe.

I don't completely disagree with you, BS. Once you get up to a substantial plasma level, the short ester spikes will be fairly insignificant, but still spikes none the less.
Do you happen to have any graphs to show sust vs time?

[Geno99262]

Well in my experience with sus I would say it depends on the individual. I tried the every other day routine and I thought I I got just as much out of twice a week. Another guy I workout with though used it every other day and blew up like a mofo. Just my 2 cents.......