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[Juicedup]

Hey whats up guys? I'm a new member here, but I'm not a newbie when it comes to steroids. I have been researching for years and have been a member of another forum for about a year now.

I recently just started my first cycle.

Sustaplex 325 .5 cc's eod
Dbol 40mg ed

Couple things. I have learned from my other forum that my sustaplex and dbol are underdosed. I increased the sust to .7 cc's about a week ago (week 4). Dbol was giving me nausea like crazy and i could barely get in my calories and threw up a bunch of times. I didnt get any pumps and veryyyy minimal strength gains so I stopped in week 2.

I placed another order early on for British Thai dbol which i got this week and also 3 sust 250 oragnon amps and a vial of test e. I started the sust amps today and hopefully by the time i use them up the test e will be here. If I am still not satisfied with my results off the sust I will be switching to test e around week 7 or 8.

Heres what might make u guys think Im stupid. When i got the dbol recently I started at 30mg. I have been on it for 2 days and was planning on running it for maybe 2 weeks (weeks 5-7) and then maybe again (weeks 9-12). Is this dumb? I know the sust should be kicking in week 4 or 5 (now) so would that hinder my gains fromt he sust or add to them?

Also I have had low test levels in the past, before cycle so I think im going to run an extended PCT. I have 50 20mg nolvadex pills from axio!! ughh hope not underdosed and i have 1.5 vials of clomid 50/nolva 20.

I'm thinking maybe 40/40/20/20. I think the nolva pills will only last me 4 weeks so maybe i could use the nolva/clomid combo the rest.

Thanks guys and I hope u will provide me with some good feedback.

[jasonlv]

you should use HCG throughout your cycle to aid with recovery when PCT rolls around

[MrBman]

soo how much sust do you have in total - im guessing its enough to run you till week 7/8 ...
Now sustanon will kick in faster than enanthate or cyp estered tests due the faster acting phenyl prop and propionate esters ... are you seeing any gains so far?

and no to answer your questions simply, DBOL will not hinder your gains bro ... the drug will work in such a way that it will increase the size of your muscles, and force them to retain water - your increased strength gains will enable you to build mroe muscle .... the testosterone your injecting will assist in turning SOME of these watery gains into hardened muscle - the dbol by itself would not do very much interms of gaining SOLID MUSCLE - it gets your weight up fast - but its the test that solidifys these gains ... the dbol and the sust will work in a synergistic fashion ... so dont worry about "hindering:" your gains

Now i pesronally would not use this course of action in regards to dianabol, but you can ....
it is always better to start dianabol at the beginning of a cycle, because it "kick starts it" but obviously certain circusmstances prevented your intital plan of action to go into full effect .... is there anything wrong with using dianabol at the end of a cycle? Absolutely not .. alot of guys do it ... some dudes running longer cycles will commonly incorporate dbol at the end of a cycle ... you get a bit more mileage outve your cycle ... if you do use this route ... i would seriously reccommend some HCG (500iu ED or EOD ... 10shots) - followed by nolvadex at your suggested dosages or clomid if you so chose ....


....you might just consider running DBOL in weeks 5- 7 or 8 INSTEAD of running it at the end of your cycle AND then using test till week 13/14 ... that way you'll give the body sometime to solidify the dbol-induced gains ... i know its not your fault that your cycle turned out this way, but you can still make some solid gains ...

what are your gains like so far?

[bigbench]

Bman has nailed it again. Good info there. Im guessing that since you are thinking of running your dbols from weeks 9-12 that you are planning on running the sust for 12 weeks (or test e). If you wanted to run your dbol week 5-7, that would be fine and then you could run it again at weeks 12-15 (week 14 if using test E). That way you can keep the gains up as well as letting the sust clear the system before you begin PCT. HCG would be a great addition to your PCT, but what you have will work also.

[dennis]

how do you know for sure the susta plex is underdosed????/Mine is not......

[Juicedup]

MrBman and Bigbench thanks so much for ur replies. Yeah I really would have preferred to just run the dbol weeks 1-4 or 5 but it was giving me nausea and i was havinga hard time just getting in the minimum amount of calories. I wasnt getting any pumps or strength gains either which sucked. When i posted on my other forum i got a bunch of responses that said axio underdoses their stuff.

I have gained about 10 lbs so far. Mostly week 1-2. I have gained about a lb since then. I guess those gains were mostly from the "underdosed" dbol? lol i dunno.

Tomorroe will begin week 5 and this past week I noticed some slight subtle strength gains, I guess the sust kicking in. I have a badddddddddddd case of body dysmorphia so im having a hard time noticing gains lol. But one thing that has increased apparently is my shoulder size around. I went from 46.5 on 3/2 to 50 on 3/20!!! I dont know if it was measured differently, although I dont know how u could get 3.5 inches difference by measuring wrong by wrapping the tape around ur shoulders? lol

Yeah i have 2 10ml vials of the sustaplex, just finished the first vial this week and I received 3 amps of sust 250 oragnon that im using and hopefully im gonna use the test e when it comes in, not sure yet though because i wanna give this sustaplex a chance.

Yeah i think i will order some HCG. I dont want to have low test issues again after cycle and I know HCG can get things running again. So just run it through my PCT for 4 weeks? 500iu EOD?

[dennis]

can you please answer my question bro....?

[Juicedup]

Originally Posted by dennis

can you please answer my question bro....?

Sorry. I didnt answer u directly but if u read the post I said that I posted this on another forum and I was told that axio underdoses their stuff. This came from a moderator who said he gained about 6lbs in 8 weeks before he stopped and knew of about 11 others who had the same results. I heard from another member who lvoed the stuff and said he gained 30lbs off it. I dont know what to think, but after taking their dbol for 2.5 weeks and not getting any pumps or strength gains at 40mg ed I believe its underdosed too

Are u using it now? How much have u gained?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Juicedup

Sorry. I didnt answer u directly but if u read the post I said that I posted this on another forum and I was told that axio underdoses their stuff. This came from a moderator who said he gained about 6lbs in 8 weeks before he stopped and knew of about 11 others who had the same results. I heard from another member who lvoed the stuff and said he gained 30lbs off it. I dont know what to think, but after taking their dbol for 2.5 weeks and not getting any pumps or strength gains at 40mg ed I believe its underdosed too

Are u using it now? How much have u gained?

Juice....I am not trying to be a jerk at all but you are simply speculating that the product is underdosed..you have no lab report to prove it.I have a very good idea where you got it and trust them very much..yes I have it,yes I used it,so did my wife and other bros..trust me..it is not under dosed.Keep using it and eat big.Axio labs makes a very good product...My wife took .20 ml and went crazy for 2 weeks..I used 650 mgs per week and did very well on it.

[MrBman]

Originally Posted by Juicedup

Yeah i think i will order some HCG. I dont want to have low test issues again after cycle and I know HCG can get things running again. So just run it through my PCT for 4 weeks? 500iu EOD?

No, here let me explain how this works. You dont take HCG throughout your pct ... HCG closesly mimcs Leutinizing hormone ... its a hormone produced by the pituitary gland ... the hypothalamus tells the pituitary gland to produce LH -> which inturn is used by the leydig cells to produce testosterone ... i think you understand why the HPTA (hypothalamus Pituitary Testicular Axis) starts a negative feed back loop in the precense of high levels of testosterone, but i felt it wasnt important to explain the process so you understand what HCG does ... basically the body recognizes it as LH ...

since the body will recognize it as LH, it will still refuse to produce its own - the only purpose HCG has is to get our leydig cells upto par ... by doing this they will be more responsive to the LH they receive from the body ... after finishing a course of HCG, we most commonly use SERMs - Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators - such as nolvadex to assist our hypthalamus in getting back upto par ... HCG makes recovery a lot smoother ... but it also causes the hypothalamus to shutdown ... so buy 5000iu of HCG, split it up into shots of 500iu each ... and proceed to inject yourself ED or EOD - than use nolvadex till you feel back up to par ...

Remember - the HCG gets your balls up to gear - the nolvadex gets your hypothalamus to tell the pituitary to produce LH ...

[Juicedup]

Originally Posted by MrBman

No, here let me explain how this works. You dont take HCG throughout your pct ... HCG closesly mimcs Leutinizing hormone ... its a hormone produced by the pituitary gland ... the hypothalamus tells the pituitary gland to produce LH -> which inturn is used by the leydig cells to produce testosterone ... i think you understand why the HPTA (hypothalamus Pituitary Testicular Axis) starts a negative feed back loop in the precense of high levels of testosterone, but i felt it wasnt important to explain the process so you understand what HCG does ... basically the body recognizes it as LH ...

since the body will recognize it as LH, it will still refuse to produce its own - the only purpose HCG has is to get our leydig cells upto par ... by doing this they will be more responsive to the LH they receive from the body ... after finishing a course of HCG, we most commonly use SERMs - Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators - such as nolvadex to assist our hypthalamus in getting back upto par ... HCG makes recovery a lot smoother ... but it also causes the hypothalamus to shutdown ... so buy 5000iu of HCG, split it up into shots of 500iu each ... and proceed to inject yourself ED or EOD - than use nolvadex till you feel back up to par ...

Remember - the HCG gets your balls up to gear - the nolvadex gets your hypothalamus to tell the pituitary to produce LH ...

Ohh ok. No i understand, I guess i just misunderstood u and thought u meant run it through PCT. So when do u suggest I run it from? I know mostly it is used weeks 4-12 when shutdown of natural production begins. I obviously wont be able to use it until around week 8 or 9 if i place the order this week.

Thanks for ur help bro appreciate it

[MrBman]

honestly dude - you dont have to run it ON cycle ... just start your HCG injections the day after your last shot of test ... do 500iu every other day ... 10shots = 20days ... and just start nolvadex the day after your last shot of HCG ... other than that, just eat big - train hard - train smart and your golden man

[Juicedup]

thanks bro ill do that. and ill probably be posting updates here