Newbe would like a little help

[BBC3]

Hello all, Nice forum. The moron quotient seems low here, so I though I would add to it.

Here goes. I'm 36. I stopped my intensive gym training 10 years ago and now have a beer belly (6'1" 255), but kinda in shape from raquetball and 1 months weight training etc... I need to train some strength for a job comming up and i am going to gear up for my first time. I have done some reading, and still have some concerns.

Planned cycle is t-cip (400mg) 1-10,,,, dbol(30mg) 1-4,,,, plenty of novlidex for needs arrising, clomid post, and hcg post..

My only experience with anything slightly anabolic in the past was with DHEA. Laugh Now!>!>>.. Believe it or not, i am one of the lucky few that can metabloize that stuff. My experience lasted about a week because of sides. Pounding headache, heavy dreams (swatting large ivisible spiders off the lamp in my sleep), waking up at 5am on a pillow soaked though...,, Mild hair loss.. you know that burning sensation in your scalp that just screams hair is comming out,, and able to work out all day long!!!, but most concerning was a burning sensation in my heart. I was taking GNC 50MG DHEA a day and crushing them up to facilitate good release. I think that has a great deal to do with proper absorbtion of that stuff. HOPEFULLY someone will tell me that stuff was just totally androgenic CRAP and i should not have those concerns.

I understand half life elimination periods, and anabolic and androgenic effects to some extent. My concern is getting a few weeks in and having these same sides with no way out. IS THERE A WAY TO SHUT IT DOWN IF PROBLEMS PRESSENT??? Or could this happen again, and i'll be in real trouble this time. I am very excited about this opportunity. It was always just fantasy until late research indicating cycling seems to be fairly safe if well educated. Can someone tell me if this will be unlikely, and that i will just walk around feeling like a zillion bucks. or how long it wil take me to terminate if problems.??

Sorry for the long post, or if i left anything out. Thanks in advancefor any help offered..

[dennis]

Originally Posted by BBC3

Hello all, Nice forum. The moron quotient seems low here, so I though I would add to it.

Here goes. I'm 36. I stopped my intensive gym training 10 years ago and now have a beer belly (6'1" 255), but kinda in shape from raquetball and 1 months weight training etc... I need to train some strength for a job comming up and i am going to gear up for my first time. I have done some reading, and still have some concerns.

Planned cycle is t-cip (400mg) 1-10,,,, dbol(30mg) 1-4,,,, plenty of novlidex for needs arrising, clomid post, and hcg post..

My only experience with anything slightly anabolic in the past was with DHEA. Laugh Now!>!>>.. Believe it or not, i am one of the lucky few that can metabloize that stuff. My experience lasted about a week because of sides. Pounding headache, heavy dreams (swatting large ivisible spiders off the lamp in my sleep), waking up at 5am on a pillow soaked though...,, Mild hair loss.. you know that burning sensation in your scalp that just screams hair is comming out,, and able to work out all day long!!!, but most concerning was a burning sensation in my heart. I was taking GNC 50MG DHEA a day and crushing them up to facilitate good release. I think that has a great deal to do with proper absorbtion of that stuff. HOPEFULLY someone will tell me that stuff was just totally androgenic CRAP and i should not have those concerns.

I understand half life elimination periods, and anabolic and androgenic effects to some extent. My concern is getting a few weeks in and having these same sides with no way out. IS THERE A WAY TO SHUT IT DOWN IF PROBLEMS PRESSENT??? Or could this happen again, and i'll be in real trouble this time. I am very excited about this opportunity. It was always just fantasy until late research indicating cycling seems to be fairly safe if well educated. Can someone tell me if this will be unlikely, and that i will just walk around feeling like a zillion bucks. or how long it wil take me to terminate if problems.??

Sorry for the long post, or if i left anything out. Thanks in advancefor any help offered..

For your goals to be met all you need is a couple of years back in the gym weight training and dieting corectly.You do not need to consider aas at this time.Just keep educating yourself about them so when the time is right you will be smart with it.Above you mentioned clomid..nolva is better.The nolva is all I would use.The hcg is not neccesarily post cyle..I use it maintenance during the cycle and up untill time to start pct.If you are concerned with half life of some gear just start off with test prop..it will be in and out of your system in a few days as the dbol will as well.

[beezil]

Keep your nutrition in check.... do your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach.... and hit the weights in late afternoon or evening followed by another cardio session.

Your goal should be weight loss first.... coupled with weight training to get your form back to where it was; not necessarily packing on mass. You want to get your body used to staying on a strict schedule.

When you are ready throw in the AAS.... that way you will get great gains (hopefully lean) and maintain them.


good luck

[roadkill]

Yes, definately lose the bodyfat before considering aas. You may find it won't even be a concern if you get to a lean and muscular 200-210.

[HDH]

What is your bodyfat %.

HDH

[novicebb]

Originally Posted by beezil

Keep your nutrition in check.... do your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach.... and hit the weights in late afternoon or evening followed by another cardio session.

Your goal should be weight loss first.... coupled with weight training to get your form back to where it was; not necessarily packing on mass. You want to get your body used to staying on a strict schedule.

When you are ready throw in the AAS.... that way you will get great gains (hopefully lean) and maintain them.


good luck

I agree with Beezil. I am not one of those that will tell you when and when you should not incorporate AAS. I feel that if you going to do it you going to do it. But with that said I do think you should focus on losing body fat first before incorporating a AAS cycle. I feel that it makes your gains easier to notice and feel when you are at a lower body fat percentage first.

[BBC3]

I hear you guys talkin. But you know how it is when you get that urge. Its a 10 year dream comming true so its kinda hard to fight. I am concerned about the fact that i am somewhat undertrained and can not maximize results. On the bright side i do have excellent muscle memory. Its just that, i started off on this thing considering "hormone replacement theropy" concept, and it just kinda blossomed from there. Obviously so, considering the insanity of not cycling with already healthy gonads.

The problem is that I have to make shape for this job interview in about 12 weeks from today. I have already been training my diet for a couple of months. Regiment and discipline are not a problem as I am very focus driven when given a good motive. Weight is holding same as I swap fat for muscle. I was just kinda thinking that if I kept my diet perfect with normal cardio incorporated. That I could only come out with a positive. Considering that i have muscles that know how to train, and are just severely atrophied, i was actually thinking that i could get above average results. That i could in fact hold a much better tratio than an already tweaked athelete, meaning huge bang for the buck.

To answer, my body fat is probably about 23-25%.

I have already placed an order and expect to receive soon. I am however, intelligent enough to sit on it if need to. My testosterone tested out at 309. A little low. I jsut can't recover. It takes 5-7 days for a particular muscle group. I was thinking that the T would remedy this.

Any thoughts out there on just doing a very mild cycle. Meaning starting at 200mg and ramping up slowly to 400 by the end. I think it probably takes about 200mg to mimic normal function if totally shut down. So I would basse my curve on that. Or is that just a rediculous idea, in that, perhaps if I don;t get a minimum level (400mg per say), then the whole thing would be useless??..??

I have a pretty good idea that with all this body fat, I will probably sustain worse bloating, but thats all gone in the end, and with proper post cycle, could i indeed get get this great kick start with a better hold ratio??

I HEAR ALL OF YOU AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. I am just caught up in the moment, and I am not so sure I am off base.

I am still wondering about closing out early if I have to. If I was at week 4 or 5, would discontinuation and immediate clomid solve this problem. Or would I have to go farther and seek help from my physician with some sort of beta T blocker, or something that is less mainstream and more exotic.

What do guys think about my thought on an incredible mucsle gain and HOLD ratio considering my situation. Am I way off base, or might this actually be the case???

Please give me some more feedback. I do appreciate greatly.

[beezil]

Depending on the half life; if you stop your cycle early it will still be working in your system. Then you will still have to get it started again with proper PCT.

I think you should think about what you are saying and planning to do. Your hormones are nothing to mess with, especially without proper guidance. If your test level is hovering at 300 consult an endo or at least start with your family doc.

What is the physical test you need to pass; LEO / Security?? When I was in the service I saw many more guys struggle and not succeed than bros who didn't use aas.

Look at most of the special forces chaps; lean and mean.

Give us some specifics and maybe we can give you some alternatives.

From my personal experience even low doses of test give me problems when doing cardio... and I am sure this will be part of your test. Correct?? Not too mention what Tren will do.

[jsupstarz]

Your probably not going to listen to us about getting in way better shape before using aas, cuz it's the easy way out. Well, definitley drop about 15-20 lbs. at least. Cuz the amount you weigh now plus having to eat massive amounts on your bulking cycle you will be crying in ten weeks feeling more fat and stupid then you do now. LOL. So I don't recommend any aas til' you get in better shape, but otherwise your cycle looks ok 400mg/wk cyp and 30 mg dbol (go week 1-5). Good luck

[HDH]

Yes, I agree with jsupstarz.

Steroids are for people that want to make a commitment to BB. They are not for someone who wants to get pumped up for a job.

Maybe you should have ordered a cutting cycle.

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

Steroids are for people that want to make a commitment to BB. They are not for someone who wants to get pumped up for a job.

Maybe you should have ordered a cutting cycle.

HDH

Yeah maybe liposuction, IT EASY RIGHT

[HDH]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Yeah maybe liposuction, IT EASY RIGHT

Now that's entertaining.........LOL

HDH

[BBC3]

Easy please. its not easy drinking all this beer. I never said I wasn't planning to get back in the gym for another 5-10 year or forever?/ who knows. I have just traveled in the past and gone through that stage of settling into my own lifestyle. Anyway. The job app in particular that I am training for is Firefighter. Its fairly difficult CPAT physical test to qualify. Not all events. Just the first one. The major problem is this first event. You must be able to climb on a stepmill type stair machine for about 3 1/2 minutes with additional 75 pounds on your back. and no rail grabs. I could probably pass the remainder of the test regardless. This presents quite a problem as you could imagine. The CPAT firefighters test is basically a "Tough Man" Competition. There is no extensive running. It is a bunch of events sumulating real life job situations in the profession. The one prblem I have also been looking past is the fact that the following training weeks involve running 3 miles daily. This would be nasty to aysay the least arriving all geared up.

So perhaps someone could give me an alternative solution to building legs like tree trunks in 12 weeks?!?!?

Like I said, I am not beyond shelving this gear for a while. Does anyone know the shelf life by the way.

One perk of this job is that it tends to encourage a life long work out routine, which is fine by me. I am kind of exicited to get back. I was just burned out before. You know, you miss one chest day, and you are two steps back next chest day. With career choices and student loans pending, it was kind of easy to pressure myself out of the gym back then. etc. etc. etc..

So there it is. Leave the FAT MAN alone and lets get him through this...

Thanks ( i can take a bash or two).

[jsupstarz]

There are guys that weigh 135 that pass those tests. You should start training (lifting) eating right, doing cardio for 3 months and you should be in fine shape to pass those tests. AAs is not the answer for you. The stuff should have an expiration date on it. But if you juice being fat your just gonna weigh more in turn it may be tougher on you to do more aerobic things like in those tests. You really need to just diet and shed some pounds, if your 255 ya gotta have something under those rolls. It isn't your best bet, im just looking out for ya' , if I didn't care , I wouldn't respond to your posts . GOod luck,

[Bryan127]

12 weeks is more then enought time to prepare for that fitness test. If you stick to a strict diet and bust your ass training, you shouldn'y have prob. Gear isn't just a quick fix. Get in shape then cycle of your still feeling the need. IMO.