newbie 1st run, please advise.

[kidutah101]

hello,
I have been reading and reading, finally deciding to post. There is a lot to suck in here!! If i say something ridiculous please don't flame me Im still a greenhorn about all this.

male
26yrs old
lifting mild for 2 years,
heavy!! MAX OT workout last 6 months.
I hit a wall at ~165lbs.
5'11"
fair-good diet
already have receding hairline

I would like to do a small small cycle to help me get around 170-175.

I was considering

Test-E (depending if i can get a god damn legit source, if not i will have to work with whatever my local yokle can get me which i think is oral so probably not TEST.)
8 weeks, 500MG (two 250MG doses a week)

I am scared of side effects but want to keep this all simple.
should I have arimidex on hand in case? Or should i take it just in case? and if so how much,
I have read on clomid but i suspect that the emotional side effects will bother me...


I would like to retain the size, should i also take something for PCT? I am more concerned about staying safe than getting huge, which is better for my body?

Thanks guys,
-Ry

[roadkill]

Bro at 5' 11" and 165 you have not reached your natural limit by a longshot. You need to eat alot more calories and focus your workouts on squats deadlifts shoulder presses bench press and rows. You should reach 195-205 before you consider steroids. Not a flame bro just good basic feedback for you. Eat more, train heavy on the basic power exercises and you can't go wrong.

[Bigkarch]

I dont mean to be rude bro, but aas is not the answer right now...to gain an extra 5 to 10 lbs at your height is a mere diet and training problem....I would stake that on my life my friend....you need to manipulate your training and diet....I would venture to say if you post your training program in the training forum and ask how to tweak it then check out our nutrition forum and other articles, you can gain that in 6 months easily...

[kidutah101]

serious question... You can flame me for this one.
( I will read up more on eating and training. I have chicken legs and dont work out my legs enough. I will work on that cause its giving me back problems from being top heavy.)

so if you guys are using it to reach higher than nature intended, why cant you use it to gain from where I am at to reach natural potential? Has anyone on this board used AAS before they had totally topped out, and what is the physiological difference?

[atomicone]

Bro, if you don't already know any legit/genuine sources, I would highly suggest spending 6 months or so reading and studying various veteran posts on this board first. Once you've done your time on this board, and made a genuine effort to learn and contribute, stuff etc. like sources won't be an issue anymore.

Good Luck!

[The Animal]

You want advice? At 5'11 165lbs, there seems to be a serious diet issue here. Hardcore max out training isn't always the proper way to train espeicially when your diet is not in check..so evaluate how many calories you are consuming in a one day period plus protien intake which for you should be at least 300 grams. Also, try to fit in a balanced meal every 2-3 hours. Within 3 months you might appear to be on AAS.

[terrorizer2]

Originally Posted by kidutah101

serious question... You can flame me for this one.
( I will read up more on eating and training. I have chicken legs and dont work out my legs enough. I will work on that cause its giving me back problems from being top heavy.)

so if you guys are using it to reach higher than nature intended, why cant you use it to gain from where I am at to reach natural potential? Has anyone on this board used AAS before they had totally topped out, and what is the physiological difference?

I would say 99% of people on here started steroids before their natural potential was reached.How many of us waited 5 years or more to start steroids?.Not many.Most people on here do not practice what they preach.I trained for a year before starting gear.If you are 18 years old and 140lbs then NO,but if you are 21 upwards and have been training hard for a couple of years with a good diet then go for it.

www.muscletalk.co.uk

[rmtt]

Originally Posted by kidutah101

serious question... You can flame me for this one.
( I will read up more on eating and training. I have chicken legs and dont work out my legs enough. I will work on that cause its giving me back problems from being top heavy.)

so if you guys are using it to reach higher than nature intended, why cant you use it to gain from where I am at to reach natural potential? Has anyone on this board used AAS before they had totally topped out, and what is the physiological difference?

I don't really think it's so much as reaching your natural potential, as no one can really tell how close they are to it. But the fact is that at your height and bodyweight, it proves that there is not something right with your training and diet. Steroids are not some "magic pill" that you can take to fix everything. They provide an edge...that's all.

I can promise you that if you don't have your training and diet down pact before you start, than steroids will more than likely be a disappointment to you.

I'm a small guy with small joints, and barely weighed 130lbs at 5'7" when I started lifting with a 27" waist. I trained for 2 years non-productive trying to find what worked for me, and then for another 3.5-4 years before I took anything. By then I was nearly 170 lbs. I have been as high as 210, and now stay around 185 and still have a 30"-31" waist.

I promise you that if you get your diet and training in line, you will experience much greater benefits when you do use. But this is my opinion, and you will do what you want.

Either way, training legs are an integral part of all of this. That right there is a great way to stimulate natural growth throughout your entire body.

[jrod196]

Originally Posted by kidutah101

serious question... You can flame me for this one.
( I will read up more on eating and training. I have chicken legs and dont work out my legs enough. I will work on that cause its giving me back problems from being top heavy.)

so if you guys are using it to reach higher than nature intended, why cant you use it to gain from where I am at to reach natural potential? Has anyone on this board used AAS before they had totally topped out, and what is the physiological difference?

Bro, start doing some squats, stiff legged deadlifts and you'll probably easily put on that 5-10lbs you want. Legs suck ass at times to lift, but they are very important to your development. There are countless studies that show squats as part of a workout routine not only strengthens your legs, but back, chest, shoulders, bi's and tri's. Do your self a favor, layoff the juice for a year and develope that lower body.

[Bigkarch]

Originally Posted by terrorizer2

I would say 99% of people on here started steroids before their natural potential was reached.How many of us waited 5 years or more to start steroids?.Not many.Most people on here do not practice what they preach.I trained for a year before starting gear.If you are 18 years old and 140lbs then NO,but if you are 21 upwards and have been training hard for a couple of years with a good diet then go for it.

www.muscletalk.co.uk

It's not a matter of reaching natrual potential. no one knows his or her natural potential..... but at 511 and 165 and not working legs is far from not able to gain 10 lbs naturally.....plus you say if you are 20 yrs old and have been training for two or more yrs then go for it seems.... a bit ignorant to this dilema (sorry for the wording)....its not a matter of age and workout years that we need or want.....I can tell by his stats and he says he has been working out for 2 yrs, his training is a crap shoot.....been in this game for over 25 yrs my friend....he can easily gain 5-10 lbs naturally and he DOES need to change the diet and training first....once he gets that up and running, then aas is icing on the cake....

most people want that quick fix and dont want to change the basics first...sure he can do aas and gain from it..... but I as a mod and someone that has been there and done that, would be short changing him if I did not try and help him go the other direction first and just give him a cycle.....put the cart before the horse and the ride will be much smoother and easy....trust me