no luck still :(

[rob3412]

first cycle deca qv 300 mg , sust 500 mg a week im ending week 4 starting week 5, i gaied like 5-6 pounds, but at begaining of cycle , but that could have been because of the ammount of food im eating, cant tell in mirror... do u guys think being almost half way on a 10 week cycle, and not noticing gains is 2 early? im intaking about 4000 cal, 360 grams protien 2 gals water, getting alot of rest, and hitting gym up the hardest i have in my life... just give it more time to kick in?

[Pup'nIrn]

Originally Posted by rob3412

first cycle deca qv 300 mg , sust 500 mg a week im ending week 4 starting week 5, i gaied like 5-6 pounds, but at begaining of cycle , but that could have been because of the ammount of food im eating, cant tell in mirror... do u guys think being almost half way on a 10 week cycle, and not noticing gains is 2 early? im intaking about 4000 cal, 360 grams protien 2 gals water, getting alot of rest, and hitting gym up the hardest i have in my life... just give it more time to kick in?

Well, the sust is just now getting to a good build up point. I personally would extend the sust to 12-14 wks but if its what you have then so be it. You'll make your best gains in the next 5-6 weeks. Hang in there sust and deca work.....just delayed a bit.

[Deacon]

it takes both of those a longer time to work - I run them both 12 weeks min and see the best results about week 10- 12

[Ripped100]

Found this over at Testosterone Nation.
by TC Luoma

The effect of steroids on muscles varies tremendously from individual to individual. It has a lot to do with the age of the patient, existing T levels (primarily existing levels of free Testosterone), exercise stimulus, nutritional factors, growth hormone, and various muscle growth factors.
However, taking amounts of Testosterone above and beyond that which a man might need for the purposes of T replacement will generally lead to additional muscle mass, even without exercising. The landmark study of 1996 by Bashin and associates found that 600 mg of Test, given weekly over a course of several weeks, resulted in muscle mass gains that generally exceeded those of an average weight trainer who was working out regularly but who wasn't taking steroids.(3)

Even so, having high levels of T generally makes it easier to put on muscle mass than for individuals with lower T. Still, even that's uncertain because men differ on how their bodies process the stuff. Some men may have more testosterone receptors, which would probably improve responsiveness. Others might have a higher clearance rate of Testosterone, which would probably decrease responsiveness. And, another group might have very high levels of bound T, but very low levels of free T (the stuff that's biologically available for growing muscle and the rest of the stuff associated with T).