No nuts,No sex drive hcg/clomid wont work!

[caliman714]

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

[GRANVILLE]

Originally Posted by caliman714

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

I know of several people who have been in the same boat as you, I don't like mentioning hgh activators as they get slammed here, but check out www.growingyoung.co.uk all the people I mentioned above got results in about a month of taking the stuff, there is a u.s.a link as the formula originated in the states, pituatory will kick back in.

[ipfan1]

bro, did you just say you took 8,000iu of hcg a week????

that is 8X what is reccomended to take and too much HCG can fuck your nuts up, that is probably what ur problem is. you may have desensitized ur nuts to LH by using all that HCG.

[tatt2d]

Originally Posted by caliman714

Over a year ago I was on deca and wini without test for 3 months.My nuts shriveled and I couldnt get a hard on.I used hcg and clomid repeatedly with no results.Its been over 1 year since I did this deca/wini cycle and Im getting worse not better.5 months ago I even tried to run 1000mgs week of test400 to kick my sex drive back to normal but it didnt do anything besides make me bigger. my last clomid dose just recently was 200mgsx10 days and 8,000iu hcg per week x3 weeks.It also did not help any.

I have been to an endocrinologist who refered me to a pituitary specialist because my blood work showed I have very low testosterone and very low growth hormone levels due to a malfunctioning pituitary gland.MRI showed no tumors or anything.My estrogen levels are also high.I started taking nolvadex a few days ago.

I also should mention that I have used anabolics off and on for around 10 years.Im 27 now.I used to take 1000mgs test enthanate for 6 months at a wack.I never had any problems untill I took the wini/deca stack alone 1 year ago.

Is my pituitary permenantly messed up? The docs dont usually deal with steriod cases so they dont even know.All they want to do is start GH replacement therapy and testosterone.All I want is for my natural system to kick back in and NOT to mask the problem with more drugs.Has anyone ever had this same problem or know someone who has? Please tell me how to fix this.Also if anyone can rec a doc that has treated bodybuilders with these problems I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks for the advice!

HERE'S A DOC FOR YOU. I found this in a thread titled, "doc visit". This was posted by BOB SMITH: "Also, check out www.allthingsmale.com and see if he is still taking AAS clients. He is one of our Mods and is willing to work with AAS athletes to ensure their health." I hope this helps you.

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[demeurj]

Did you fully inform the endocrinologist about your polypharmacy history?

[P-DOG]

Originally Posted by ipfan1

bro, did you just say you took 8,000iu of hcg a week????

that is 8X what is reccomended to take and too much HCG can fuck your nuts up, that is probably what ur problem is. you may have desensitized ur nuts to LH by using all that HCG.

that pretty much sums it up. hcg if used at all should be used to avoid testicular atrophy while on, not after.

also clomid for only 8-10 days? you need to be on it for months.

[Ronin_]

I would definitely go to All things male.

It's funny as 10 or even 5 years ago the idea you could permamently affect your HPTA was not known at all, at least I never heard of it.

[caliman714]

Originally Posted by demeurj

Did you fully inform the endocrinologist about your polypharmacy history?

Yes I definately did.

[caliman714]

Originally Posted by tatt2d

HERE'S A DOC FOR YOU. I found this in a thread titled, "doc visit". This was posted by BOB SMITH: "Also, check out www.allthingsmale.com and see if he is still taking AAS clients. He is one of our Mods and is willing to work with AAS athletes to ensure their health." I hope this helps you.

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Thanks I'll check it out right now.

[ad234]

Originally Posted by caliman714

Thanks I'll check it out right now.

Good luck bro. Just know that clomid is a relatively safe drug for long-term use. 8-10 days is not enough, especially for your situation. I've got bros in their mid-twenties who needed clomid for 2-3 months before they felt normal again. I'm a geezer at 31, it will probably take me forever to recover from my current cycle, LOL. Also, you might want to check out that article floating around showing nolvadex to be superior at upregulating the HPTA than clomid, interesting read. Good luck.