Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on nolva or arimidex within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; which is better to prevent water retention? 500mg enanthate, 400mg eq , 50mg d-bol. thanx getdiesel...
But the % suppression of the AIs are all regarding postmenopausal women. We are a far cry from that. We're taking exogenous test, which increases the amount of aromatizable substrate manyfold, so the %reduction is far less. Either way, don't take one or the other, take both. they complement each other. take low dose of an AI (0.25mg/day of adex) to just slightly control estrogen levels, and take the nolva to help with lipids and to prevent the estrogenic effects at the breast.....it's not a one or the other issue, and it's not just about gyno.
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But the % suppression of the AIs are all regarding postmenopausal women. We are a far cry from that. We're taking exogenous test, which increases the amount of aromatizable substrate manyfold, so the %reduction is far less. Either way, don't take one or the other, take both. the complement each other. take low dose of an AI (0.25mg/day of adex) to just slightly control estrogen levels, and take the nolva to help with lipids and to prevent the estrogenic effects at the breat.....it's not a one or the other isse, and it's not just about gyno.
I'm not sure if I've seen this question asked before? Can you actually take TOO much Nolva?
I've heard of people taking too little, and not being able to control bloat, gyno, etc, but can you take too much, and what are the negative effects of that?
thanx for the replies. i have never had trouble with gyno in the past, but i get hella water retention, especially in the face. i never used any anti-e's except for pct. with it now summer i was just looking for something to help me from smoothing out so much. also bigkb, i have never heard that too much nolva is a problem other than it reduces igf-1 levels. i have heard that even though arimidex is supposed to increase igf-1 levels, you can take to much of it therefore inhibiting our gains. i could be wrong about this though. getdiesel
I hear people aay "don't take nolva unless you need it"....well, you need it. Your LDL WILL increase during a cycle....nolva will help drop that as well as increase HDL. As for all the IGF-1 talk, these numbers, too, are regarding post-menopausal breast cancer patients with already elevated IGF-1 levels, due to increased IGF-1 from mammary fat pads. The nolva is merely reducing expression of IGF-1 in mammary fat pads....this isn't an issue with healthy men....besides, they aren't referring to intramuscular IGF-1, which is what's important to us.
There is absolutely no reason NOT to use nolva....none....I mean $25 and an internet connection is all it takes to get nolva.....why would you NOT use something that has nothing but benefits?
which is better to prevent water retention? 500mg enanthate, 400mg eq, 50mg d-bol. thanx getdiesel
Hey Bro, After reading all the debate over what to use and why, it only boosts my current use of anti-est. I am using both dex and nolva at present and have little to no water retention at all. I would so with both also like einstein said. I found it very effective. So effective that I will step on stage using 500mg/wk of cyp and I will be ripped. Pup
Oh and you probably could get away with 1 mg/day dex, 10mg nolva with good results.
Not to argue with einstein, but why. These numbers are not just post menopausal women. LDL will increase slightly but there are different things to do than take nolva. I am not dead set against it, but your body will not see a difference in the gym, size or strength if you dont take nolva and have a good diet, otc supps such as vitamins etc and training/rest. The nolva may show a difference in a graph. I am not bashing Einstein, this is my opinion only, and I dont know everything.
In closing, Nolva does not do a damn thing about water retention
Saying nolva doesn't do a damn thing about water retention is so untrue. Bloat up for 4-5 weeks and then hop on 20mg/day of nolva, and watch it rain.....Before I started using adex/nolva with every cycle, I did just as I mentioned and dropped 7+ lbs of water in about 3 days. I'm sure many more here can give similar results. Sure, you can take other supps to control lipids, but why? Why not take nolva, which greatly helps with lipids AND prevents gyno. You can't overlook how many "I've got gyno, what do I do now" posts there are......there is absolutely no reason for this ever to happen. We know exactly why it happens and exactly what prevents it.
It has zero negatives and is far too cheap NOT to use....it only provides benefits
As I said, it is not necessary but you can use it. Again why. I use it pct not during unless I get signs of gyno. And no, It does not stop the conversion of estrogen which is where you get the bloat.
That's pretty good info below, although the emphasis on IGF-1 levels with nolva is taken out of context and without regarding the study subjects. Serum IGF-1 levels aren't anywhere near as important is intramuscularly expressed IGF-1.
You're right, nolva does not prevent aromatization. However, it's not the presence of estrogen that causes bloat, it's estrogen interacting with ERs....that's why nolva does prevent/reduce bloat, and it does so considerably. Similar to serum testosterone not causing anabolism....it's interaction with ARs, for the most part, which does this.
The point is, nolva is a compound which brings nothing but positives to the table, so there is no reason NOT to use it
As I said, it is not necessary but you can use it. Again why. I use it pct not during unless I get signs of gyno. And no, It does not stop the conversion of estrogen which is where you get the bloat.
I have to argue with you Big Karch. I am using nolvadex before my contest to shed water. It is very effective like einstein said. I can not get that true hard look without it. Pup
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