Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Nolva or clomid for pct within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Everytime I see the Llewellyin article, I have to reply. it's incredibly misleading. All of the studies that show nolva's ...
Everytime I see the Llewellyin article, I have to reply. it's incredibly misleading. All of the studies that show nolva's "superiority" to clomid were for ridiculously long durations of time (BTW he only managed to selectively cite the three ancient studies that ever found any advantage to using nolva vs clomid, while omitting the vast majority of literature showing clomid's superiority).
The studies Llewellyn cites are 3-12 month durations. All of the studies showing acute effects on gonadotropin favor clomid. it is far more efficient at increasing LH and therefore test levels. there is no debate on this. the studies have been posted and discussed numerous times. The only argument for nolva over clomid then is the clomid ocular sides or "mood swings", which only are present with some users, of which I am not one.
You'll often hear "nolva works fine for me". Yes, I suppose it may, but clomid works better for the purposes for which we're taking it and the durations that are practical....indebatable.
i wouldnt argue with you einstein....but for me, the sides that i get from clomid are not worth it....if i can get good results from using nolva, then why deal with the vision problems, acne, psychlogical issues, that come from the use of clomid.....LP
i wouldnt argue with you einstein....but for me, the sides that i get from clomid are not worth it....if i can get good results from using nolva, then why deal with the vision problems, acne, psychlogical issues, that come from the use of clomid.....LP
No, I understand what you're saying, and that's a valid point. If you're going to argue in favor of nolva, the potential sides are the only ammo there is. However, too many people try to make the argument that nolva is more efficient at increasing test, usually it's the Llewellyin article to which they refer to support this. I just want to reiterate that this article is worse than modern day media reporting. Selectively citing literature only to support your predetermined (and incorrect) claim is irresponsible. There's no way that he could have not stumbled onto the bulk of literature to support the contrary argument, that being in favor of clomid.
what are your thoughts on the reports claiming that nolva helps improve your lipid profile? im asking because it def would be a great thing for all of us aas users......LP
what are your thoughts on the reports claiming that nolva helps improve your lipid profile? im asking because it def would be a great thing for all of us aas users......LP
Nolva definitely helps to improve lipid profiles. It's an estrogen receptor agonist in the bone and liver, so it acts as estrogen their. It both increases HDL as well as decreases LDL. It should always be used with any cycle (with an AI).
ok so how would you recommend its use if its for helping with your lipid profile...
at what doses, and for what length of time......? and thanks for all your help and advice....LP
During any cycle, I use at least .25mg/day of Adex and 10mg/day of nolva. However, increasing the nolva to 20mg/day is fine and beneficial in many cases...there isn't really a down side for males. policosanol is another excellent choice to help lipid profiles, and it's OTC. Oats are great for lowering LDL. Cardio and a clean diet are number 1.
yeah i started using policosanol this cycle, only because i just found out about it...or i would have a long time ago.....i also use fish oil, a fiber powder, and niacin.......next cycle im def gonna add 10mg of nolva...whats the point of all of this, we are not healthy at end......thanks again for your help einstein.....LP
a lot of article about it... do your search please.
Thanks for the advice but what do you think this is if it's not learning. I wouldn't dream of taking anything unless I was as clear as I could be on how and how much to use.
I knew einstein would get in on this and I am glad he did he makes some very good points as always -
I myself prefer nolva over clomid and it actually works better for me.
But this cycle I will be using both due to the drugs taken and length of the cycle itself. This has been highly suggested to me by some close friends who are very knowledgable on pct.
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