ok for a 1st timer?

[slick33158]

One of my friends wants to start a cycle and he's already got the gear for it, He wants to run::
Weeks 1-10
250mgs test Enanthate 2X week
200mgs Deca 2X week

Do you think this is ok for a first timer? He's about 190lbs. wants to bulk up. been training for about 2 years. He knows what he's doing in the gym and with his diet. I'm just curious if anyone else has ran something like this for a first time. I always hear run test only first cycle.

[deathgrip07]

I wouldn't bother with the Deca the first time around. The 500mgs of Test per week should work just fine. More is not always better.

[slick33158]

He's dead set on the deca though. It wouldn't necessarily hurt would it? not like its too much gear is it and if so why do you think so?

[slick33158]

Also, does nolva work for deca gyno? I am also running deca currently and am taking 10mgs nolva EOD. I've actually read somewhere that nolva can INCREASE progestin (however you spell that other thing thats like estrogen but a different substance that deca produces) receptors in your body. Any one think either of us need a progestin blocker or will nolva cut it. I am pre-disposed to getting gyno by the way which is why I'm already running nolva throughout the cycle.

[Big_paul]

i think its a good stack. the deca will increase the anabolic effect without as much androgenic sides. He will make some nice gains so long as training and diet are good.I would cycle 12-14wks followed by pct. All you should need is nolvadex for an anti e 20mg ed maybe less. you shouldn't have a problem with progesterone with 400mg deca a wk but no nolva would not help if it were a problem.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

Also, does nolva work for deca gyno? I am also running deca currently and am taking 10mgs nolva EOD. I've actually read somewhere that nolva can INCREASE progestin (however you spell that other thing thats like estrogen but a different substance that deca produces) receptors in your body. Any one think either of us need a progestin blocker or will nolva cut it. I am pre-disposed to getting gyno by the way which is why I'm already running nolva throughout the cycle.

You would preferably use an AI for that , adex, letro. etc.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by slick33158

One of my friends wants to start a cycle and he's already got the gear for it, He wants to run::
Weeks 1-10
250mgs test Enanthate 2X week
200mgs Deca 2X week

Do you think this is ok for a first timer? He's about 190lbs. wants to bulk up. been training for about 2 years. He knows what he's doing in the gym and with his diet. I'm just curious if anyone else has ran something like this for a first time. I always hear run test only first cycle.

500 mgs test and 400 mgs deca..really good first cycle in my opinion.I agree with jsups..get some adex to have on hand during cycle for gyno symptoms..have hcg and nolva ready.I would run this for 12 weeks though.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by slick33158

He's dead set on the deca though. It wouldn't necessarily hurt would it? not like its too much gear is it and if so why do you think so?

No, it wouldn't hurt him but ask him this-

If you can gain 20 to 25lbs on 500mg of Test on a first cycle, why would you add 400mg of Deca to it and make the same gains?

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

No, it wouldn't hurt him but ask him this-

If you can gain 20 to 25lbs on 500mg of Test on a first cycle, why would you add 400mg of Deca to it and make the same gains?

HDH

It comes back to the more isn't better theory. You don't want to complicate your test production, and progesterone sides more than you have to. For a first cycle there is just plain NO need for the deca, although some people will argue that.

[slick33158]

THanks guys, thats understandable. I'll let him know.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by HDH

No, it wouldn't hurt him but ask him this-

If you can gain 20 to 25lbs on 500mg of Test on a first cycle, why would you add 400mg of Deca to it and make the same gains?

HDH

HDH good point..I never thought of it that way before.As a typical hard gainer myself I need the deca cause i do not gain 20 lbs from test alone.

[advanced-stealth]

Good post.

Originally Posted by Big_paul

i think its a good stack. the deca will increase the anabolic effect without as much androgenic sides. He will make some nice gains so long as training and diet are good.I would cycle 12-14wks followed by pct. All you should need is nolvadex for an anti e 20mg ed maybe less. you shouldn't have a problem with progesterone with 400mg deca a wk but no nolva would not help if it were a problem.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by dennis

HDH good point..I never thought of it that way before.As a typical hard gainer myself I need the deca cause i do not gain 20 lbs from test alone.

Right, and it isn't your first cycle.

[slick33158]

How about this guys, say he's sensitive to test so he wants to lower the test to 300mgs/wk, would the 400mgs of deca EW compensate for the low dose of test for a first cycler? Would 300 test EW and 400 of Deca EW be close in gains to just 500 of test alone EW? Plus the sides would be reduced because the test is low and the deca is mild in that area however its still a good anabolic.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

How about this guys, say he's sensitive to test so he wants to lower the test to 300mgs/wk, would the 400mgs of deca EW compensate for the low dose of test for a first cycler? Would 300 test EW and 400 of Deca EW be close in gains to just 500 of test alone EW? Plus the sides would be reduced because the test is low and the deca is mild in that area however its still a good anabolic.

I would not run the deca higher than the test, that is not a good mix.