opinions on thiese cycles?

[turboed]

i started on test enanthate and plan on running it for 8 weeks,going up to 400 mg on 2 weeks only somewhere along the middle,i don't like to go higher cause of gyno,never had it and i don't want it, i got clomid and nolvadex on hand anyways,reason for this cycle is to maintain a bit of muscle i got from the last d bol/deca cycle wich ended on 8-1-06,i also got some a-drol i wish to use but the doc said my liver values were higher than normal so i'm scared to use it but i bet i would help with size, then after the 8 weeks of test i will take 8 weeks off and get back on deca/test enan mix for at least 12 weeks and on the last 6 to 8 weeks i will cycle on and off from clen to eca stack every 2 weeks while dieting,my goal is to have more size this summer while at the same time being leaner,i have leaned out on test before and is not like i'm competing,is my break of 8 weeks enough?post your thoughts or anything you think i should change,i don't like to get crazy with high doses of test cause the way i see is you should be able to grow on anything that is higher than what your body produces,i might be wrong so feel free to critize.

[The Animal]

I have been told by experience users to run test at least 10-12 weeks. Does your doctor know about this cycle? Also, what are your
goals?

[turboed]

the doc knows i cycled before but this is one of these docs who tells you the story about the friend who died from steroids,is the first story he told me when i told him i juiced before,as far as the goal is just to get more size and lower the bodyfat for summer,i'm 5"8 and 200 pounds,and while on last cycle while dieting i was 189 and abs were visible but i'm not sure about bodyfat%.

[atomicone]

You should be running the Test at 400mg weeks 1-8, there is no point to gradually raising the dosage. As for the bloat/gyno, just take 10mg of Nolvadex ED and keep your sodium intake low and you should be fine.

Good Luck!

[turboed]

i'll do that,i'm watching what i eat also but i don't want to lower calories too much so i get some size.

[Deacon]

whata re you worried about gyno for? If you ran deca and d-bol together and didnt get it why would test alone give it to you? Your worrying about nothing - run the test at 400-500 mgs for 10 weeks - its not the cycle length that gives gyno - its extreme doseages - and at 400-500 your no where close to extreme

[turboed]

i gotta admit i'm a bit paranoid when it comes to gyno.

[atomicone]

Originally Posted by Deacon

whata re you worried about gyno for? If you ran deca and d-bol together and didnt get it why would test alone give it to you? Your worrying about nothing - run the test at 400-500 mgs for 10 weeks - its not the cycle length that gives gyno - its extreme doseages - and at 400-500 your no where close to extreme

I agree that he will probably be ok, but I know plenty of guys that have gotten gyno symptoms while running 400-500mg of Test; yet I know several who have run 2 grams per week with no problems. I've learned that whether you'll get pre-gyno/gyno while cycling is determined by your genetic makeup more than say how much Test you take. Therefore, since our friend hasn't really had a lot of experience running Test, I'd highly recommend he at least have plenty on hand just in case he starts itching. Better safe than sorry!

[turboed]

thanks for all the input,i just got 90 nolvadex pills yesterday plus the 30 expired ones that i had,so you guys think i should start them right away if i get itchy or wait?

[terrorizer2]

If you want to keep the bloat down then take 10mg a day nolva to start with.If you get gyno signs up it to 20mg and stay on it for the rest of the cycle plus 6 to 8 weeks after for your PCT.As for your 8 week break between cycles,after you finish the second cycle you will probably be very shut down making recovery quite hard.The last couple of years i have been doing 3 10 to 12 week cycles a year.At the end of the year my current cycle finishes.Then i am coming off and i know from past experience i will have a hard recovery.Long cycles with little rest make recovery very hard.It will take the best part of the year to fully recover i expect.

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[atomicone]

It's up to you Bro. Either way works; however I prefer to just take 10mg of Nolvadex ED from the beginning. I've done this many times and have never had problems with making gains. Also, only once did I start to get some pre-gyno symptoms, and that was when I was running 800mg of Test per week + 40mg of D-bol ED. I just increased the Dex to 30mg per day until the itch/sensitivity went away, and then stayed at 20mg for the last 2.5 weeks of the cycle.

Good Luck!

[turboed]

cool,i was thinking of using the clomid i have for like 2 weeks after 2 weeks go by after last shot instead of nolva but i can always try it your way instead,i never had to use nolva yet,and i guess save the rest of the clomid for the second cycle,i was also thinking like you and felt that i am going to be shut down hard at the end of the second cycle especially that i plan on using deca,never done hcg and i might have to this time.

[terrorizer2]

You would be best off using both clomid and nolva if you have both.The main reason i don't like clomid is i cannot handle the emotional side effects.I get them real bad.Not much fun spending half the day wanting to cry your eyes out.I wish i could deal with clomid as i know it would help my recovery alot.If you start to notice a shrinkage to your nuts then start HCG and run it until the end of your cycle at 500iu's a day for 2 or 3 times a week.Trust me your body will appreciate it.Personally when i introduce HCG i would use nolvadex as well,as HCG can cause gyno in gyno prone people.


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[turboed]

damn,i did not know clomid did that,i gotta try it and see if it hits me like that also,i hope not.

[terrorizer2]

Originally Posted by turboed

damn,i did not know clomid did that,i gotta try it and see if it hits me like that also,i hope not.

Clomid is bad news for alot of people.It really can mess up your emotions.I can't handle more than 50mg a day for a few days then i have to stop it.I know some people who frontload on day one at 300mg.God knows what state they must be in.Try it and see how it goes,you may not suffer as bad as me and many others.

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