OT vs. Halodrol

[prodigy06]

I know these compounds aren't the greatest things out there but I was just wondering how effective is halodrol as compared to, what it's derivatived from, Turanabol?
Like on a scale of 1 to 10, how strong it Halodrol?
(10 being Turanabol, 0 being nothing)

[prodigy06]

Bump,
The reason why I'm asking is this..
My cousin who I train with, age 18 turning 19 in a month, all of a sudden decided that taking OT would be a good idea.
He already has gone through a box of Halodrol before and tells me OT wouldn't be much different since Halodrol and OT are almost the same exact thing and Halodrol didn't give he any bad side effects.
I want to know if this would be true. I thought halodrol was just a joke, not a derivative of an actual steroid. How much like OT is Halodrol? I'm worried about him. The kid has a ton of tamoxifen, milk thistle, and hawthorne berry.. so at least he's doing that I guess. And he's been training since he was like 15, not like all this makes it any less serious or justifies it but he's already like a week into it, I just want to know if there is anyway he can get through this w/ o fucking himself up.
I've know a few guys who started far to early by traditional standards with stuff like tren at age 19 and they turned out ok... but still...

[van-man]

Actually, the company that makes the Halodrol product claims that it is a mix of halotestin and anadrol style compounds. Unfortunately, it also carries the extreme liver toxicity of halotestin. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone under the age of 24, but you only have to be 18 to buy it at most stores. So, there's not a whole lot you can do other than making sure he keeps the cycle short to take care of the liver.

[prodigy06]

I'm not sure how long he plans on doing it. He only did Halodrol for like 30 days, which doesn't seem like to long to me. And seems kind of stupid.. how much can you really get out of something in 30 days?
Liver problems are one thing he def has to worry about, but what about all the other stuff like stunted growth or accelerated bone growth? Could this happen to him?
I don't know too much about that but I'd think he'd have to worry more about the accelerated bone maturation more than anything.. the kid is like 6'2 already.

[ironaddict1985]

i know when i was 17 i took Halotestin and T together made great gains but never grew another inch hieght wise. also if your cousin drinks make sure he doesnt while hes on it, it sent me to the hospital

[van-man]

Originally Posted by prodigy06

I'm not sure how long he plans on doing it. He only did Halodrol for like 30 days, which doesn't seem like to long to me. And seems kind of stupid.. how much can you really get out of something in 30 days?
Liver problems are one thing he def has to worry about, but what about all the other stuff like stunted growth or accelerated bone growth? Could this happen to him?
I don't know too much about that but I'd think he'd have to worry more about the accelerated bone maturation more than anything.. the kid is like 6'2 already.

those are two completely different things my man... no young lad will ever grow taller as a result of steroids; he will only cease to grow. As per the recent enlightening by super moderator MaxRep steroids lead to stunted growth due to an increase in estrogen. So, he will never grow taller than he is right now. One of the most major concerns he should have is that of his testosterone levels. Right now he is producing a shit load of T naturally, if he introduces external steroids into the mix it will tell his body to stop. He will most probably be able to get is levels back to a normal adult range with appropriate PCT but he will never again see supraphsyiological levels.

Basically he needs to stop right now, pray that he hasn't done any serious harm, eat like a mofo to grow, and after some serious research, decide if juice is something he wants to mess with when he is old enough.

If he were my friend or son, I would punch him in the ear

[prodigy06]

I told him if he doesn't stop I was gonna kick his ass. But in reality he could probably kick my ass.
Anyway,

those are two completely different things my man... no young lad will ever grow taller as a result of steroids; he will only cease to grow

That's what I got from wiki... but then again.. it is wiki.

get is levels back to a normal adult range with appropriate PCT but he will never again see supraphsyiological levels.

What are supraphsyiological levels? Like as far as numbers go? (just curious)
And if, lets say, his test is already down graded from supraphsyiological to normal how could you tell? What signs would there be for that?

[prodigy06]

Bump.
Just incase someone else can add something?

[van-man]

Originally Posted by prodigy06

What are supraphsyiological levels? Like as far as numbers go? (just curious)
And if, lets say, his test is already down graded from supraphsyiological to normal how could you tell? What signs would there be for that?

First, I think I should've said "superphysiological" not "supra". Its one of those hyper-hypo distinctions that I always screw up.

Ok, at his age it is very very very very doubtful that he has finished adolesence. Did I say very? I did? Good. Now these super levels would peg him near the top of the scale. on a scale range of 250 - 1200 he would be between 1000 and 1200. This is easy to observe from the outside if you know what to look for. Have you noticed how after 23 or 24 years of age men generally look the same until near their thirties? Well that is the maturity stage. The stage when everything has settled out and become static. A really fortunate male in this stage will enjoy levels between 500 - 700 usually. Of course, I am not speaking from direct medical knowledge but from various readings and the test results of many friends and training partners. Before maturity the physique has some thick and thin areas about it. You know, the nose doesn't quite fit the face yet and stuff like that. That is how you know he's not done growing.
To put everything in perspective for you, I need 400mg of testosterone cypionate per week for me to hit the 1200 mark (actually just a stitch over). I know this because of blood tests I've done to establish effective dosages.

AAS is great stuff, that's why we're all here. But just like the book of ecclesiastes, "There is a time for everything" And for your friend, 18-19 is not it.

Originally Posted by prodigy06

I told him if he doesn't stop I was gonna kick his ass. But in reality he could probably kick my ass.

fight dirty

[prodigy06]

I asked him after reading this early today and he said he got a blood test about 6 months ago and his test was 600. So, would this be low? Or does this mean he could possibly be done w/ superphsyiological levels and done w/ adolesence?

[van-man]

Well, it doesn't really matter now if thats what his levels were. He either (a) took something to kill the elevated levels before this halodrol (which is what I think happened since no one gets T levels checked on a whim); or (b) is done with that stage of adolesence naturally. Either way it ain't coming back.

There are still matters of muscle maturity and things of that sort that he may want to consider, but his natural test will never go higher than 600. It will only go down from here, especially in the face of external steroids. If he does six weeks of the stuff he is on now he could be at 400 or lower by the time he gets done.

[prodigy06]

Think HCG would help?

[van-man]

no not really. Technically he's or was in the normal range, and he has or had a very good level for an adult man. HCG will stimulate the testes, but if taken alone it will do the same thing as any other steroid, which is telling the pituitary to stop releasing LH. If anything were to raise natural levels it would have to be something like nolvadex at 20mg ED. But there is still a functional limit to how much levels will increase by.
Personally, I think nolvadex for at least six weeks at the aforementioned dosage is absolutely essential PCT for all steroids, even pro-hormones. Have him do this when he comes off the halodrol for at least six weeks, then get his levels checked toward the end of the treatment and another 6 months following. Staying between 600 and 700 will be the best he can have from this point on.