PCT after a soild 12 weeker

[Dirty D]

A Little Help.. At the end of a AP test prop, Auzzie Eq throughout, AP whinny, follwed by a little AG Clen, L-Clo and their Nolva. My question is how much of of the AG products to use. I have read other threads and it sounds as if 1 cc daily. Would appreciate the insight..

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

A Little Help.. At the end of a AP test prop, Auzzie Eq throughout, AP whinny, follwed by a little AG Clen, L-Clo and their Nolva. My question is how much of of the AG products to use. I have read other threads and it sounds as if 1 cc daily. Would appreciate the insight..

First off it is better to post here when you are thinking about the cycle not at it's end......gives us time to get to know you.

week
1. 3 cc Nolva
2 and 3 . 2cc Nolva
4 1cc Nolva

This is the dose I use from AU guys liquid Nolva

Also winny is crap so don't use it....or look it up and see it's awfull sides.

[van-man]

[quote=Also winny is crap so don't use it....or look it up and see it's awfull sides.[/QUOTE]

Well! I never! that is just mean and untrue!
Winny is a wonderful drug when used at moderate doses. I have used it in virtually every cycle I've ever done. Proper dosage for all users is .1mg per every lbs. of body weight. So, for example, at my 200lbs I do 20mg ED. And its great! taken orally it helps free up bound test, in addition to solidifing gains when used over the entire span of a cycle.

total tangent I know but.... whatever, it was fun

[Dirty D]

I appreciate the advise.. I am at the begining of the builder at this time but my AG Guys shipment arrived today without a block of instructions and I had read several threads about their products but wanted some specific advise as provided.. ver much appreciated.. as to the whinny that I will be starting in 5 weeks I am going to go ahead and use it but I would rather use oraly to avoid the wonderful whinny deposits.. I have the vet grade AP STAN.. can I take that by mouth and if so how and how many cc's and how often per week.. I will be running the Eq with the whinny.. please send some good advise my way.. once again appreciate the advise

[Dirty D]

Foreman: Is that cc per day.. and is it better with grapefruit juice to assist with breaking it down? And how about their L-Clo.. thanks again
week
1. 3 cc Nolva
2 and 3 . 2cc Nolva
4 1cc Nolva

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by van-man

Well! I never! that is just mean and untrue!
Winny is a wonderful drug when used at moderate doses. I have used it in virtually every cycle I've ever done. Proper dosage for all users is .1mg per every lbs. of body weight. So, for example, at my 200lbs I do 20mg ED. And its great! taken orally it helps free up bound test, in addition to solidifing gains when used over the entire span of a cycle.

total tangent I know but.... whatever, it was fun

Winny is great for destroying your joints and causing Acne, prostate hypertrophy and an aggravation of male pattern baldness. It is hepatoxic and it's a weak androgen so it does little for growth. Read up more and post less son.

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Dirty D

Foreman: Is that cc per day.. and is it better with grapefruit juice to assist with breaking it down? And how about their L-Clo.. thanks again
week
1. 3 cc Nolva
2 and 3 . 2cc Nolva
4 1cc Nolva

Yes cc per day. I take it straight every time...I wash it down with water.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

First off it is better to post here when you are thinking about the cycle not at it's end......gives us time to get to know you.

week
1. 3 cc Nolva
2 and 3 . 2cc Nolva
4 1cc Nolva

This is the dose I use from AU guys liquid Nolva

Also winny is crap so don't use it....or look it up and see it's awfull sides.

Personally, I think 75mg (3x25mg) is WAY too much. Studies have shown that even 5 or 10mg/day is effective:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...502&query_hl=2

I usually start at 40mg/day and then drop the daily dose by 10mg each week. Even then, 40mg is probably still overkill.

[van-man]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

Personally, I think 75mg (3x25mg) is WAY too much. Studies have shown that even 5 or 10mg/day is effective:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...502&query_hl=2

I usually start at 40mg/day and then drop the daily dose by 10mg each week. Even then, 40mg is probably still overkill.

Hmm... I read another article that cited that exact same source in making the exact same assertion. Where was that at..... geez, if I could ony remember..... OH YEAH! It was Anthony Roberts! Yeah Yeah it was the article that you were too busy trash talking about to read.
You Jackass!

[van-man]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

Winny is great for destroying your joints and causing Acne, prostate hypertrophy and an aggravation of male pattern baldness. It is hepatoxic and it's a weak androgen so it does little for growth. Read up more and post less son.

Reference your dosages old man.
20mg Ed for six to eight weeks is hardly overkill. I 've done this several times now and have actually had hair regrowth. How? you ask. Well, I would be glad you enlighten your bald head. I take about 600mgs per week of cyp with .5mgs ED of avodart. This eliminates virtually all of the conversion DHT. This in turn allows me to add in a moderate dose of useful anabolic DHT otherwise known as Winstrol without incurring an abundance of DHT. Because that would accelerate male pattern baldness; wouldn't it George? I take 20mgs ED except for Sunday (I don't lift on Sunday). This comes to 120mg per week on winstrol instead of 350mg per week, which will definitely give one joint problems, especially when taken alone.
I see now why you named all your sons George....

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Conciliator

Personally, I think 75mg (3x25mg) is WAY too much. Studies have shown that even 5 or 10mg/day is effective:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...502&query_hl=2

I usually start at 40mg/day and then drop the daily dose by 10mg each week. Even then, 40mg is probably still overkill.

The liquid dose is only 20mg per cc so 3cc is 60mg

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by van-man

Reference your dosages old man.
20mg Ed for six to eight weeks is hardly overkill. I 've done this several times now and have actually had hair regrowth. How? you ask. Well, I would be glad you enlighten your bald head. I take about 600mgs per week of cyp with .5mgs ED of avodart. This eliminates virtually all of the conversion DHT. This in turn allows me to add in a moderate dose of useful anabolic DHT otherwise known as Winstrol without incurring an abundance of DHT. Because that would accelerate male pattern baldness; wouldn't it George? I take 20mgs ED except for Sunday (I don't lift on Sunday). This comes to 120mg per week on winstrol instead of 350mg per week, which will definitely give one joint problems, especially when taken alone.
I see now why you named all your sons George....

Winny is great for destroying your joints and causing Acne, prostate hypertrophy and an aggravation of male pattern baldness. It is hepatoxic and it's a weak androgen so it does little for growth. Read up more and post less son.

[Conciliator]

Originally Posted by van-man

Hmm... I read another article that cited that exact same source in making the exact same assertion. Where was that at..... geez, if I could ony remember..... OH YEAH! It was Anthony Roberts! Yeah Yeah it was the article that you were too busy trash talking about to read.
You Jackass!

Why are we letting Anthony Roberts post here under a pseudonym? It's pretty clear based on the way that he talks that it's him (or if not, he wishs he were AR's gay lover).

So the fact that AR posted one good reference negates all the other references that are utter bullshit? Hardly. And no, the study looking at the force required to detach the retina of a rabit after it had been treated with a DNP soultion HAS NOTHING TO DO with cataracts. And no, the studies that do look directly at DNP and cataracts do not reference that. You know why? Because it has nothing to do with DNP and cataracts. Which makes me wonder what the hell AR is thinking when he writes his articles and gives his BS advice.

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts' BS DNP Article

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One of the most worrying side effect of DNP use is it’s ability to cause vision problems (19)(20).
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19. Energy substrate requirements for survival of rat retinal cells in culture: the importance of glucose and monocarboxylates.J Neurochem. 2005 May;93(3):686-97
20. 2,4-Dinitrophenol pharmacologically promotes retinal detachment in rabbits

Newsflash Anthony: the vision problems associated with DNP are due to cataracts. Cataracts are in the lenses. The retina has nothing to do with cataracts. This is a classic example of AR inventing references that are bullshit to make it sound like he knows what he's talking about when he doesn't.