PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

[VDC]

To add to Max Rep's post,,,The longer the testicules are atrophied the longer they take to recover,,,Or they mighht not,,,Better to keep them working than let them shut down,,,As Swale intimated we want to keep things as normal as possible during any kind of cycle,,,VDC

[graybass]

I'm also old school PCT.
Tiny variation, I like to run nolva 20mg ED for the whole last month, start HCG during the last week of injections (1000IU's ED for 10 days) Then start the Clomid at end of HCG, 150mg, then decreasing curve from there.

This has been wonderful recovery for me! (after big cycles, 20 weeks, 1000mg test, 600mg Deca, and some Tren in the mix last 5 weeks)

Good thread to keep bringing back!

[Joe West]

over at chemical anarchy [animals board] they had a study on a 32 year old BBer whos steroid use had left him with a substandard amount of endogenous test. it was somehow affecting his ability to have children.

they put him on hcg and menstral hormones for 3 months, whereupon his test levels came back up, and they conceived about 7 months later [to make sure i didnt use the incorrect word, they found out she was pregnant].

so, it would seem that at least in his case, the hcg didnt burn anything out. and contrarily, seemed to improve it.

so, make of that what you will.

Excellent post Phreezer.

K-

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[getdiesel]

Originally Posted by Tank01

Good post Phreezer, good to have posts like this resurface every once in a while so people know how to do shit right...

lata bro,

good looking out phreezer....this is going to help nit only me but i'm sure a lot of people tremendously!!
peace out home slice!

[ThePerpetrator]

Thank you so much for this post. Really help me tremendously in planning and laying out my PCT for the type and length of cycle I have chosen.

Peace,

Perp

[roidman]

great thread good info thanx bro

[cathex]

Nice post Phreezer, the only thing I don't understand is why it wasn't posted as a sticky sooner since this is one of the most common questions on most steroid forums.
Also, as one of the other replies points out, all this assumes that the 'boys' have actually atrophied, otherwise no need for HCG therapy, right? Just start the clomid and/or novlva and run for approx 3 wks to a month gradually tapering off. Please comfirm.

Once again though, nice post.

[Phreezer]

well IF the boys are full size at the end of a cycle..then I can't see much of a use for HCG

[cathex]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

well IF the boys are full size at the end of a cycle..then I can't see much of a use for HCG

Does seem rather obvious when you allready know it, but think of all the people gleaning info from this forum who are not as experienced as some of us. Not to flame you bro but it might have been a good idea to mention it in the sticky. I know so many people who assume you take HCG at the end of a cycle just as a matter of course. sounds silly I know, but it's true. Still, I guess it has been mentioned now hasn't it.

[Phreezer]

I can't think every possible question and answer it in advance.... But if people would actually take the time to learn everything they could about a drug before they put it in their body, these kind of questions wouldn't even be an issue.

[cathex]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

I can't think every possible question and answer it in advance.... But if people would actually take the time to learn everything they could about a drug before they put it in their body, these kind of questions wouldn't even be an issue.

For very many people, including myself, this forum is a source of that very information. Good point though. Thanks for the post anyway...great stuff.

[Brien69]

Sorry, don't mean to highjack this thread but what i'm wondering is at what levels do you have to start taking HCG? I'm about to finish a 10 week cycle of 350ml of test and tren....is it HCG necessary or would clomid and nolva be just fine and at what length and dosages? Thanks.

[Phreezer]

You obviously didn't read the entire thread did you? If you had you wouldn't have asked this question. Clomid and or Nolva will work... However, if you look above you'll see my posts about testicular atrophy.

[curt3844]

Great post. I have been using for 14 weeks know and wanted to get off, but was affraid! Know I know how to save myself. Does anyone know where I can find real HCG??

[bglick]

I am 10 days out and about to start my hcg. (1000iu/day for 10 days) I once read that 10 days out was when i should start but this thread is suggesting the day after last shot. My question is, because i have waited 10 days what should I do? Keep in mind that I have more gear. (sust) if i start hcg tonight shoud i still wait the 10 days until i start clomid?

[Massive690]

Originally Posted by bglick

I am 10 days out and about to start my hcg. (1000iu/day for 10 days) I once read that 10 days out was when i should start but this thread is suggesting the day after last shot. My question is, because i have waited 10 days what should I do? Keep in mind that I have more gear. (sust) if i start hcg tonight shoud i still wait the 10 days until i start clomid?

i dont see what the problem is. its been 10 day since your last test shot, right? so start hcg/nolva tonight and then start clomid after your last hcg shot.

Originally Posted by bglick

Keep in mind that I have more gear. (sust)

you cycle is over bro. dont inject any more gear, just start with the pct tonight or tomorrow

[bglick]

thank you sir, i will do just that.

have a great day. just for shits and giggles i did 500mg sust and 300 mg deca for 8 weeks. trained hard in beginning then had an injury and some other shit take place but still put on 23 pounds. Went from 180 to 203. I'll be happy if i end up 190+ and a bit leaner when this is all over

[atomicone]

I agree with your claim that 1000ius ED can work well for many users (myself included), but I always start my first injection 10 days after my last Test shot. From what I've read you're saying do it the day after. Why? Don't you want to wait for the test to start clearing out of your system?

Originally Posted by Phreezer

I have not discussed HCG administration with swale vdc.. However, I have used HCG for many years and through some trial and error and research of my own I've been able to learn what works best for me..

WRT to swale's methods...You need to remember that he is dealing with older men who are permanantly supressed and on full time HRT... Most of the members of this board do not fall into this category.. I think it unwise to adminster the same treatment method for two entirely different demographics of people... There is a big difference between a 50 yr old man who has been permanantly shut down and that of a healthy 25 yr old who is only TEMPORARILY repressed. As this thread title stated.. this is MY oppinion... What do you base your previous statements on VDC?

And I'd Also like to say, that since I have been an avid lifter for well over a decade, I believe that I have learned some very effective methods for keeping the muscular gains I makefrom my cycles...

Does your HCG administration protocol allow you to keep a great majority of the muscular mass that you gain from your cycles?

[njander]

great post. this is why i got on the computer and it was the first post that I read. really helped!!!

[Phreezer]

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