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I have not discussed HCG administration with swale vdc.. However, I have used HCG for many years and through some trial and error and research of my own I've been able to learn what works best for me..
WRT to swale's methods...You need to remember that he is dealing with older men who are permanantly supressed and on full time HRT... Most of the members of this board do not fall into this category.. I think it unwise to adminster the same treatment method for two entirely different demographics of people... There is a big difference between a 50 yr old man who has been permanantly shut down and that of a healthy 25 yr old who is only TEMPORARILY repressed. As this thread title stated.. this is MY oppinion... What do you base your previous statements on VDC?
And I'd Also like to say, that since I have been an avid lifter for well over a decade, I believe that I have learned some very effective methods for keeping the muscular gains I makefrom my cycles...
Does your HCG administration protocol allow you to keep a great majority of the muscular mass that you gain from your cycles?
If I don't use HCG daily I will get atrophy in a few weeks every cycle. Once this happens it takes forever for size to get restored. My take on the ED use is from Swale. BTW he does have a large number of steroid using athletes, not just HRT guys. I dunno, waiting until the atrophy is a problem is way to late for me. I usually run 12 week cycles and I have tried almost every other method of HCG administration, daily seems to work best for me as long as it is only 250 I
What about the practice of using HCG on the weekend during the cycle, before it causes a problem? My understanding is that it does jumpstart T production, but is still suppressive. This means delaying recovery time despite having the appearence of recovering (your balls have dropped back down).
I have yet to do a cycle, this just comes from research I have read on other sites. But the most common protocol I saw was to take it on the weekend 500iu on Sat. and Sun. from week 3 of the cycle until the end of the cycle.
Phreezer,,,You should know by now that I am not a BBer,,,but am on HRT,,,I do have some experience with many different cycles and HCG dosing schedules,,,I always recommend that people experiment to find out what works best for them,,,As far a Swale goes what NDK pointed out is true,,,He does have many patients that are BBers,,,Why do you think he came to these boards in the first place???This is not criticism or arguement here,,,I'm just trying to clarify some points,,,Gee Phreez you're one of my fav mods,,,VDC
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Phreezer,,,You should know by now that I am not a BBer,,,but am on HRT,,,I do have some experience with many different cycles and HCG dosing schedules,,,I always recommend that people experiment to find out what works best for them,,,As far a Swale goes what NDK pointed out is true,,,He does have many patients that are BBers,,,Why do you think he came to these boards in the first place???This is not criticism or arguement here,,,I'm just trying to clarify some points,,,Gee Phreez you're one of my fav mods,,,VDC
I know you're not trying to pick a fight VDC... I've known you for years... I did forget that you don't lift, and only use aas for HRT..... sometimes my mind doesn't work that well especially late at night... But thanks for that last comment I appreciate it!!!!!
Max rep made a great point in another thread.... I'll cut and paste it here...
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The longer the cycle, the longer it takes your HPTA to recover. Depress it often enough, for long enough and you're on HRT for life.
MaxRep
This statement is VERY true.. and despite the use of HCG (which IMO if you over use HCG you'll land in the same boat) you will still be suppressed because you are continuing to inject AAS into your system.. so I'd just like to keep this in everyone's mind.. More often than not....LESS IS MORE...
Your own humble SWALE was the very first to recognize that HCG stimulates the production of all three hormonal pathways which use CHOL as starting point (mineralcorticoids, glucocorticoids and sex hormones) in ways beneficial to HPTA suppressed males. That is because its analog, LH, stimulates the P450SCC enzyme, which converts CHOL to pregnenolone, then onto the others. In HPTA suppressed males--and ALL who supplement testosterone are suppressed to some extent--this tends to restore a more healthful balance within, and across, these pathways.
Nearly everyone who adds my HCG protocol to their TRT reports back they feel MUCH better on it. That is, in and of itself, a good thing. The only complaint so far? they aren't able to get as much work done because they are then spending so much time exercising their libido.
We are finding more and more tissues where LH is active. I just do not like the idea of living long term with reduced LH, and HCG helps this.
There just seems to be something very, very special about enhancing endogenous T production in HPTA-suppressed males, on a regular basis.
This was written by swale I do not claim to have written this ENDRO.
,,,VDC
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