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Old 03-08-2006, 12:48 AM
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I think I get your message. Since I'm younger and on a low dose 560mg week x8 weeks i may not need PCT
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I think I get your message. Since I'm younger and on a low dose 560mg week x8 weeks i may not need PCT
Check your PM.

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Default Re: PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

does HCG, clomid, novaldex affect blood sugar levels,,is any one aware of this??
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:23 PM
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I'd ask this one in the HRT forum if I were you..
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

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I think I get your message. Since I'm younger and on a low dose 560mg week x8 weeks i may not need PCT
You will need it.
Shutdown happens around the 4th week and continues after your last shot due to the half life of the AAS, so a week or even more you will continue to shutdown.

At one point you will end up being well below your base levels.

I would never consider a cycle without all the stuff in order before hand.

I got a blood test after just 4 weeks on winstrol at 50mg and I had a 34 test level.
The dock was shocked.

So yes 8 weeks get that PCT down you.
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Old 04-21-2006, 04:36 PM
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well IF the boys are full size at the end of a cycle..then I can't see much of a use for HCG
Full size is not an indication of full testicular function bro.
Now that is an awesome sign but size does not equate natural test production.

I just found that out after talking to a doc to find out when I stop my HCG therapy.
He suggested a blood test be done and anywhere around 400 or higher you are ready to drop the HCG then continue with the clomid and nolva.

The Doc suggested the HPTA took 45 days to recover.
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Full size is not an indication of full testicular function bro.
Now that is an awesome sign but size does not equate natural test production.

I just found that out after talking to a doc to find out when I stop my HCG therapy.
He suggested a blood test be done and anywhere around 400 or higher you are ready to drop the HCG then continue with the clomid and nolva.

The Doc suggested the HPTA took 45 days to recover.
Well, IMO if there is no testicular atrophy there is little reason for HCG treatment in normal healthy men who are only temporarily repressed..

He asked if I thought he needed HCG.. And IMO he didn't... I only offer my opinion.. I can not contend with every variable out there.. and I can't answer every possible question.. everyone and every situation are different... And IMO the shotgun approach of just throwing a drug at something cause "MAYBE" it might combat something that may or may not be happening is wrong.
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Default Re: PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

Like I said.

The doc said testicuar size was no indication of testicular function.

I told him my nuts were full size and he said follow the plan he gave me.
His suggestion was to draw blood day 10 of HCG administration to see if the range was around 400.
If so then the HCG could be dropped and the clomid and nolva can continue.

Testicular size is probably the only indication after or during a cycle as blood drawn with androgens in the mix will yield inacurate information.

It might be better to add HCG in the mix during the cycle at lets say week 3-4 to maintain testicular function before starting PCT.

The testicles take far longer to bring online than LH.
No sense trying to fire LH with clomid/nolva when the nuts wont respond to LH as they are not ready.

The doc said it can take 6-18 months for a shutdown HPTA to fully recover.
45 days with the protocol he suggested.

It is not a shotgun approach as low test levels post cycle are not good anyway.
Some HCG is not going to hurt you and if anything else will avoid a crash Post Cycle.

Telling someone that 8 weeks is not going to shut you down and you wont need HCG is not good advice in my opinion.
Nothing personal as I respect your opinions but in the end it makes sense to plan for the unexpected or the worse case scenario.

I was shutdown from 30 days of orals.
Might just be me but hey, 34 test level after 30 days.
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Default Re: PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

Speaking of blood tests, can you get the appropriate work done at a walk in clinic? I don't want to go to my regular doc, so what should I request at a clinic? Just say, "I need a full spectrum blood test done to check lipids, hormones, etc."?
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Question Re: PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

Has anyone ever heard of taking hcg this way, 5000IU Day1, 5000IU Day6, 2500IU day11, 2500IU Day14, 2500IU Day17, 2500 Day20?
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