PCT-My thoughts on Post cycle therapy ~ Phreezer

[Bababooey]

Back in 2004 he said to let your balls atrophy that through his trial and error and research that worked best for him. Tons of beginners praised him and said they would take his advice. he argued with VDC and NDK about not letting them atrophy in the first place.. And as you read more recently he "has found that using during cycle works well also" which is his way of saying it works better without totally admitting it by saying also. I know we learn a lot as the years go on and Im not trying to give him a hard time, but I'm just pointing out that opinions are stated very strongly as being the best and can steer people wrong. I still can't get a straight answer on how long my hcg will last once refrigerated 10 days 14 days 30 days 4 months. "Oh just drop some on a pregnance test and see if it's positive" says one person then everyone says oh how cool never thought of that. Well how do we know how sensitive those tests are? All it proves is there is still some viable not that it's strong enought to still work etc...

[Bababooey]

HDH just read your reply to my other thread on HCG, Great advice thank you! I can't get a hold of the compounding pharmacy until Monday and I am suppose to mix it today (it's all in one vial) so if I need to return the 5000IU (10 weeks worth) they might not return it once mixed. I wish they send it to me in three vials so i made as I went but maybe the b12 soloution makes it last longer than using water? I'm not sure I trust the Doctor answer since half of them dont know what they are talking about lol but hopefully the pharmacy has done tests. Oh do i have to keep the powder in fridge before mixing? I did just in case.

[hackskii]

HCG lasts about a month using bacteriostatic water.

Absolutly it is no mystery that keeping your nuts alive low dose during a cycle is better than bringing your nuts back to life after a cycle.
I do both.
Low dose @ 500iu twice a week, continue till clearance of the androgens, then just up to and into PCT.
I use clomid and nolva during PCT.

If the nuts are not functioning, you wont recover anytime soon.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by Bababooey

Back in 2004 he said to let your balls atrophy that through his trial and error and research that worked best for him. Tons of beginners praised him and said they would take his advice. he argued with VDC and NDK about not letting them atrophy in the first place.. And as you read more recently he "has found that using during cycle works well also" which is his way of saying it works better without totally admitting it by saying also. I know we learn a lot as the years go on and Im not trying to give him a hard time, but I'm just pointing out that opinions are stated very strongly as being the best and can steer people wrong. I still can't get a straight answer on how long my hcg will last once refrigerated 10 days 14 days 30 days 4 months. "Oh just drop some on a pregnance test and see if it's positive" says one person then everyone says oh how cool never thought of that. Well how do we know how sensitive those tests are? All it proves is there is still some viable not that it's strong enought to still work etc...

You stated- "I'm just pointing out that opinions are stated very strongly as being the best and can steer people wrong.

This is the first paragraph of the thread-

I’ve received about a half dozen emails and pm’s this week about post cycle therapy, I’ve also been seeing a lot of posts about it lately…so I decided to go digging through some of my old archives… Here are a couple of posts about Post cycle therapy….One by myself and the other by Hogg…I hope this helps! (REMEMBER! THIS IS ONLY MY OPPINION...AND NO ONE ELSE'S)

Looks like he is stating what has worked best for himself.

It seems that there was a lot of different info going around about the proper administration of HCG at the time that this was written.

Post from Phreezer-
Now, I don't want to get into ANOTHER big debate on HCG administration, but of all the posts I've seen about it the one that sticks out in my mind the most, and offers the most credibility is by Hogg. From my own experience I've run HCG anywhere from 7 - 10 days out and had very good results. So I'm inclined not to believe some of the posts that say take HCG two weeks or ten days BEFORE your last shot. However, those guys that say to start ten days before your last shot, have obviously had good results doing it their way...SO the question thats been floating around the board lately...Who is Right? Two weeks before last shot? Ten days before Last shot? Day after your last shot? ten days after your last shot?

He argued with VDC and NDK about the daily use of HCG. Not about letting you balls atrophy before use. He even stated that "use every few weeks does seem to keep testicular atrophy from becoming a problem".

Post from Phreezer-
Personally, I think ED hcg administration is wholely unnecessary. If doing longer cycles HCG administration every few weeks does seem to keep testicular atrophy from becoming a problem.. Remember, we are men, and as such we must worry about Leydig cell desensitization.. because of this I would refrain from doing any injections that were not necessary.. Personally, I would prefer to avoid placing myself in a situation where I would have to be on hRT for the rest of my life.

Remember, this was a time that HCG didn't have a "set" way to administer.

So what you did was joined a board, read over some 4 1/2 year old information and then insulted a Mod.

.....and now you want your answer on HCG storage.

Show a little respect......

HDH

[hackskii]

I have noticed this.
I am 49, and it takes me 20,000iu of HCG for my nuts to be online.
This can be low dose during the cycle, or all during PCT.
HCG I have found to work best EOD, at late afternoon, but I cant sleep this time, so I cant do that, but I do notice the best plumping of my nuts if shot about 4 or so hours before bed.

HCG can be run during PCT, and the desentization issues are alomost nill with the use of nolva.
Of course, recovery is dependant on the type of gear used, time on, amount of gear, age, also if an AI was used during the cycle. Not to mention if HCG was used.

Size of the nuts for recovery does nothing to guage endo test production.
Leydig cells are not the total volume of the nuts, sertoli cells are a concern too if one was to concieve.

Clomid @ 100mg, after 5 to 7 days doubles LH out put and can increase FSH by as much as 50%................................That is huge.

Here is the deal, get your nuts rolling along, and recovery will be much easier, the pituitary comes onlne pretty quick, the nuts take time, if you are not willing to push them into action....

I could care less who is right or wrong.
If your nuts are not online prior to the SERMS then you will compromise recovery...........

[Bababooey]

I'm sorry if my frustrations have upset me so much, but its hard sifting through so many different opinions on things when you are trying to do it right. Even the "experts can't seem to give me a straight answer on things. I called my compounding pharmacy and they tell me 14 days on the hcg then i tell them they mailed me a ten week supply and all the sudden they said 60 days. I asked if they have tested it after 60 days to check its viability and they said no we are going by the package insert in Novarell which is the same thing. I call Walgreens and there novarell insert says 14 days!! And even if it was 60 they sent me a 74 day supply all in one sealed vial!! how hard would it have been for me to get 5 1000IU bottles?

[hackskii]

Pregnyl comes in 1500iu and 5000iu
Some chineese stuff comes in 2000iu
Novarel comes in 10,000iu

Novarel comes with bacteriostatic water, and once mixed and refigerated will last about 30 days.
Pregnyl comes with salene and does not last 30 days.

If you got some generic stuff that does not have bacteriostatic water, I would suggest you buy some, it is just 6 bucks most places online for a 30ml bottle.

[patd8686@gmail.com]

jesus guys, there really is so much info on pct. phreezers, swales, i read that stuff a lond time ago at a totally different board. now some of you are asking the poor guy "gee, i ran 200mg's of deca for 6 weeks, should i do hcg. it is unreal some of the questions. someone asked where to get it. look around the boards. it ain't hard too find 5,ooo iu pregnyl for $26-$35 . really i just got done reading all nite that you should do the hcg during the whole cycle. 250-or-500iu 2x a week. run some a lite dose arimidex. half a pill eod or half a day. run the hcg for about a week after the last shot than do 30 days of 20mg nolva and 100 clomid.

so that's one way many people swear by. it makes sense. but that so does phreezers. you need to find out what it is u need to do. sorry, but some the repetition was too much. i see graybass is hear. i have been a senior member at outlaw for 6 years. but i like this board alot also.

some of the othersboards really are pretty bad.

respect

no disrespect to you phreezer your way makes as much sense as the other way i was seriously considering doing i am 39 don't want to be hrt for life.

pat d.