Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on permanent damage due to AAS within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I have a question for all of you out there who have done 5+ cycles.
Even though you use careful ...
I have a question for all of you out there who have done 5+ cycles.
Even though you use careful PCT methods, do you think that the occassional use of AAS has permanently changed your hormone levels and messed with your natty test levels?
In other words, do you think that you are as sexually driven OFF cycle as you would be if you had never done AAS? I know that ON cycle everyone is a sexual monster and compared to that, well, there is no comparison. However, I'm concerned about my natural test levels. I don't want to HAVE to juice because I'm depressed about not having my own sex drive in the future.
Also, can anyone tell me if there is a difference between coming off your first couple of cycles and coming off, say, your tenth cycle? Meaning, the amount of time and effectiveness of reaching natural test levels.
I'm getting ready to do my second cycle.
Thanks fellas.
If you're worried, get your baseline bloodwork done pre-cycle, and after every cycle, dont start any more cycles till you get bloodwork redone that shows a return of your endogenous testosterone and other related hormones to normal.
This way you KNOW you are back to normal and that your body is ready for the next cycle. In fact, everyone should be doing this so that they dont screw themselves up for life.
Thanks skywalk, that's a great suggestion. From what I've researched on this board, it takes a good three months before you reach your normal functioning test and hormone levels after a cycle (12 weeks). Would you say that running two 12 week cycles a year is a good strategy? I've heard about five week cycles with shorter acting esthers and shorter gains, but with shorter recovery times and MORE gains retained.
So, which is better for keeping gains? Shorter or longer cycles?
Thanks skywalk, that's a great suggestion. From what I've researched on this board, it takes a good three months before you reach your normal functioning test and hormone levels after a cycle (12 weeks). Would you say that running two 12 week cycles a year is a good strategy? I've heard about five week cycles with shorter acting esthers and shorter gains, but with shorter recovery times and MORE gains retained.
So, which is better for keeping gains? Shorter or longer cycles?
having done both 12weekers and 2 weekers, the 2 weekers DEFINITELY have easier to keep gains. 10lbs of muscle per 2 weeker is the average, and you keep about 8. then you do 3 weeks of PCT and 2 weeks drug free, and repeat. 8 lbs every 7 weeks seems WAY better than keeping 20lbs every 25-30 weeks (doing 12 weekers) gains of 12-15 lbs per 2 weeker on prop/tren are pretty common if your diet is right...and you keep most of it.
Reason being you recover so much faster!!
Also, can anyone tell me if there is a difference between coming off your first couple of cycles and coming off, say, your tenth cycle? Meaning, the amount of time and effectiveness of reaching natural test levels.
I'm getting ready to do my second cycle.
Thanks fellas.
As I have already said many times to young guys who think they can do anything and not pay the price:
The more times you cycle and the longer you're on cycle... the harder it is for your body to restart and get back to full production your natural test.
That's the bottom line... and it follows one of our world's most basic of natural laws... For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is no way around this.
Sometimes, especially in the beginning, it's hard to see what the equal and opposite reaction is, but it's there. And over time, as dosages and duration go up... the reaction becomes more and more apparent, until guys are on HRT for life.
Unless... you're smart about how you use AAS, which is sparingly and only as much as you really have to have. Use training and nutrition to make most of your gains and AAS as only the icing on the cake... not the other way around.
Good luck,
MaxRep
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See, that makes sense to me. Shutting off the body's test levels for 12+ weeks does NOT sound safe to me. Would you mind breaking down what I need for a two week cycle, including PCT? I know I need Clomid and perhaps some trib and ZMA after that.
Okay, so tren...is that just like a cutting or additive for the prop? Similar to Winstrol?
Also, what dosages for the two weeks? Would it be wise to use d-bol for those two weeks?
D-bol 35mg for two weeks Test ethanate for two weeks
Trenabolan for two weeks
Then Clomid for three weeks starting.....the first day of the third week?
I haven't had any problems. (now that I've jinxed myself...) Honestly, I don't think I feel any different on versus off. I'm willing to stick my tongue up any willing hole whether I'm running 10 grams or running PCT. This might just be me, though. I've never "felt" the juice. Not much anyhow. The only side effect I've ever noticed was increased muscles. That's it. And maybe, MAYBE, a little irritability whilst running tren.
edit- whoops, I lied. The tren also caused MASSIVE shin cramps. Dbol kills my lower back and sometimes I can feel my liver hurting. I may also have lost some hair, but it's been going since I was 17, so I don't know if it was the AS helping or not. Shrunken nuts. Injection site reactions. That's about all I can think of.
I haven't had any problems. (now that I've jinxed myself...) Honestly, I don't think I feel any different on versus off. I'm willing to stick my tongue up any willing hole whether I'm running 10 grams or running PCT. This might just be me, though. I've never "felt" the juice. Not much anyhow. The only side effect I've ever noticed was increased muscles. That's it. And maybe, MAYBE, a little irritability whilst running tren.
edit- whoops, I lied. The tren also caused MASSIVE shin cramps. Dbol kills my lower back and sometimes I can feel my liver hurting. I may also have lost some hair, but it's been going since I was 17, so I don't know if it was the AS helping or not. Shrunken nuts. Injection site reactions. That's about all I can think of.
In other words, nothing fucking important.
^^^
That is all I have experienced as well.
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When I was in my twenty's, I too never felt any difference. Back then I used very low doses compared to what everyone uses now but, on or off cycle, my sex drive was stuck at the same high level. Even through my mid-thirty's, a morning, nooner and night session every day was great. Now that I'm in my mid-forty's, there is a definite and big difference. It's hard to say if that's a result of the normal ageing process or a result of so many cycles over so many years.
MaxRep
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If you're worried, get your baseline bloodwork done pre-cycle, and after every cycle, dont start any more cycles till you get bloodwork redone that shows a return of your endogenous testosterone and other related hormones to normal.
This way you KNOW you are back to normal and that your body is ready for the next cycle. In fact, everyone should be doing this so that they dont screw themselves up for life.
Best post by far.Subjective reports mean nothing.black and white is all that matters.
I dont have half the libido i did have, my levels were very low a year ago ill get back to you when im tested again. I take 25mg of viagra and wont have sex without it now though..... sad i know, and all to look like a greek god.....
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I may also have lost some hair, but it's been going since I was 17, so I don't know if it was the AS helping or not. Shrunken nuts. Injection site reactions. That's about all I can think of.
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