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Old 08-06-2004, 03:12 AM
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Prostaglandin F2alpha is a potent inhibitor of adipocyte precursor differentiation and a physiological negative modulator of adipocyte function (ie triglyceride accumulation) through stimulation of transforming growth factor-alpha mRNA expression. It initiates a cascade of effects in the adipoctes which have physiological importance to reducing the size and it appears number of mature cells,long after PGf-2a is cleared from the system


Mature adipose cells only shrink in size in response to restricted caloric intake or increased metabolic demand. Before now the only method of reducing the number of fat cells was liposuction. It now appears that Pgf-2a applied topically can have the same same effecst as diet and liposuction. Pgf-2a can reduce the size of mature adipocytes and the number of mature adipocytes through negative modulation and reversing the process of differentiation.


It is important to remember that dinoprost tromethamine does not burn the released fatty acids, aerobic exercise and or T3 will take care of that. PGF-2a only changes the way fats are stored and the formation and function of adipose tissue. As well I find that about half of the time I feel a tickle in the back of my throat and sometimes I have a full out coughing fit. This says to me that I have applied a good dosage.

Here are some studies that support PGF-2a and negative modulation of adipose tissue.

Endocrinology 1995 Aug;136(8):3222-9

Prostaglandin F2 alpha stimulates transforming growth factor-alpha expression in adipocyte precursors.

Lepak NM, Serrero G.

W. Alton Jones Cell Science Center, Inc., Lake Placid, New York 12946, USA.

Transforming growth factor-alpha (TGF alpha) and prostaglandin F2 alpha (PGF2 alpha) are potent inhibitors of adipocyte differentiation. We demonstrate here that TGF alpha messenger RNA (mRNA) is expressed in freshly isolated fat pads and in primary culture of adipocyte precursors cultivated in defined medium before and after differentiation. We show that PGF2 alpha stimulated TGF alpha mRNA expression in a dose-dependent manner. PGF2 alpha also stimulated TGF alpha production in the culture medium of adipocyte precursors in primary culture. PGF2 alpha stimulated TGF alpha mRNA expression in both undifferentiated and differentiated cells. 9 alpha,11 beta-PGF2 alpha, which also inhibited adipose differentiation, stimulated TGF alpha mRNA expression similarly to PGF2 alpha, whereas other PGs had no effect on TGF alpha mRNA expression. The time-course experiment indicates that the stimulation of TGF alpha mRNA expression by PGF2 alpha is observed within 6 h of exposure to PGF2 alpha and is inhibited by treatment of the cells with actinomycin D. The effect of PGF2 alpha on TGF alpha expression did not require activation of protein kinase C and was fully reversible. As both TGF alpha and PGF2 alpha are inhibitors of adipose differentiation, it is suggested that stimulation of TGF alpha expression by PGF2 alpha could represent an amplification mechanism to modulate adipocyte precursor differentiation and adipocyte function within the adipose tissue.




Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 1996 Mar;20 Suppl 3:S58-64 R


Endocrine and paracrine negative regulators of adipose differentiation.

Serrero G, Lepak N.

W Alton Jones Cell Science Center, Inc, Lake Placid, NY 12946, USA.

Obesity which is characterized by an abnormal adipose tissue development is a first degree public health hazard in industrialized countries. One important aspect in the study of adipose tissue development is to investigate the hormonal control of proliferation and differentiation. Any qualitative or quantitative change in these hormones or their receptors can result in abnormalities in the process of proliferation and/or differentiation possibly leading to obesity. Therefore, it is important to identify these factors and investigate their mechanism of action. We have concentrated our efforts in the study of factors triggering differentiation (positive regulators) and also of factors inhibiting differentiation (negative regulators). The present paper provides evidence of the importance of EGF/TGF-alpha and of PGF2 alpha as differentiation inhibitors for adipocyte precursors in primary culture. Data presented here also demonstrate that TGF-alpha is expressed in adipose tissue and that its expression is specifically stimulated by PGF2 alpha, thus suggesting the existence of an amplification mechanism between two differentiation inhibitors within the adipose tissue. The importance of these two types of differentiation inhibitors in the regulation of adipose tissue development is discussed.
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Well would it work better for this purpose if it was injected Sub-Q... or is that a no no???


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I don't think i understand this post. Are you just posting PGF info or asking if it works? Maybe i missed something in the post
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yep its better injecter sub-q, in abs and love handels.



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yep its better injecter sub-q, in abs and love handels.



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You know how long it would take to see results of "Killing" the fat cells... and how many injections a day it would take?

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I didn't know people were still using Lutalyse. It was too much of a pain in the ass for me,and very little results that left after the injects. I still have a full bottle
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You know how long it would take to see results of "Killing" the fat cells... and how many injections a day it would take?

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depend on your suitiation, PGF-2a injections are not fun thing. you have inject alot (3-5) times ED, but i result i great if you can take the pain. it useually take 4 weeks to see results. you better use it with T-3 and cardio
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i beleive it was ranger from elite a while abck who did over 800 shots of the stuff. dosnt seem worth it for fat loss to me. for site growth maybe but not reducing fat in something as big as the abdominal region. not to mention the closer its injected to the abdomen, the worse teh cramps and diareaha get.
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not to mention the closer its injected to the abdomen, the worse teh cramps and diareaha get.
And that's saying a lot becuse even with pokes as far away from the GI as the bis and tri, the diareaha was nothing less than explosive.

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i beleive it was ranger from elite a while abck who did over 800 shots of the stuff. dosnt seem worth it for fat loss to me. for site growth maybe but not reducing fat in something as big as the abdominal region. not to mention the closer its injected to the abdomen, the worse teh cramps and diareaha get.
Yes,i think it was Ranger. I believe i saw his PGF inject schedule on A.com many years back. He said the abdominal fat came back but others didn't(back fat,arm fat). He didn't know if it was just water in abs coming back or fat cells increasing in size. Maybe he didn't use it long enough to KILL the cells off completly but just shrank them
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PGF-2a is site specific....... so it treats the injected area only.
plus PGF-2a make you retain water weight.
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PGF-2a is site specific....... so it treats the injected area only.
plus PGF-2a make you retain water weight.
It also has a very short halflife. So,do you think it's worth the trouble?
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It also has a very short halflife. So,do you think it's worth the trouble?
i think its hardcore stuff for hardcore BBer. if you a biggener or you think you cant handel the pain its not worth it for you i gusse.
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i think its hardcore stuff for hardcore BBer. if you a biggener or you think you cant handel the pain its not worth it for you i gusse.
lol well,PGF is very old stuff. I got my 1st bottle maybe 4yrs ago and i heard from people who have used many mg many X/day and they say it's not worth it. I used it personally and the pain wasn't bad at all and the shits weren't that big of a deal if the results were there. It's just that they weren't or they didn't last. It basically gives a good pump while you use it but goes away when you stop using it. It's old news but i'm sure the new guys will have to learn for themselves because all the liturature in the books say it's great
Take a laxative and a thermogenic agent and you get the same results
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