Phreezer's First cycle FAQ

[ItalianPride]

hi phreezer,

i read alot of your input, but i wonder if u can narrow this down for me, im 25 about 5'6,160lbs, 17%bf, my first cycle was deca,androl that got me to 160 before i was 145. Now im trying to work my way to 185. I'm worried about my midsection, im getting a huge stomach and im not sure if i should go into a cutting phaze or keep working till i hit where i wana be, then cut up. and what do u recommend for the next cycle.

thanks,

Mike

[Phreezer]

I recommend that you don't even bother with a cycle. IMO you can get to where you want naturally. Many people always underestimate their body fat percentage. In reality if you think you're 17% you're probably closer to 20% BF.

If I were you, I would simply get on a reasonable diet. At your body weight, I would recommend something around 1,500 calories a day with the majority coming from Protein, and minority coming from Fat.

I would institute a more circuit style based training program while dieting. Or make sure to add 3-5 cardio sessions per week if you continue with a traditional workout program (Go to the training forum and check out DFHT, HST, or 5X5). I would go with the Circuit trainig while dieting because you simply won't add that much muscle because of your nutritional limitations. Do this untill you can get down to about 12-13% Body fat. Then from there, you can go back up, but do so naturaly.

If you have read my posts, you probably know that I don't advocate the usage of AAS untill you have reached your genetic potential. Which in your case, I would guess somewhere around 175-180lbs at or around 10% BF.

To recap, get on a good diet, do circuit training while dieting or do a good canned program, but add in a few cardio sessions a week. (Try to do so AFTER your weight training) or in a seperate AM session.

You may want to go to the nutritional forum, and then you may want to pop into the training forum and do some reading.

[hornedfrog2000]

Pheezer, thanks for the info buddy. I am wanting to start my first cycle, the 500mg sustanon a week one. I was wondering if I inject the 500mg, 250 in each cheak all at once, or twice during the week. And would using clomid for 1 week after the cycle be best? I am 6 foot 4 295 lbs, and have been lifting for 1 year straight. What type of gains should I expect in the next 8 weeks? Thanks again.

[iceman7mc]

I started my cycle today with 200 mg of test/week and have only 300 mg total of Deca. (6 50mg injectibles ). I took one of the 50 mg deca injectables today. I'm willing to buy more deca since i know that 50 mg/week is nothing, but in the meantime can i inject all 6 of the 50mg injectables in one week equalling 300 mg total for the week, untill i get more. Is it ok to inject the 50mg decas on separate days of one week or should all be taken one after the other? Would it be completely pointless to take 50 mg/week for 6 weeks while taking 200 mg/week of test?

[Brian]

Hey Phreezer, I just got done with my second cycle. My first cycle was 500 mg/wk of just Sustanon. Second cycle was 500mg/wk of Sustanon plus 300mg/wk of Deca (I followed your first two cycles in other words). FIrst cycle I gained 20 lbs, lost about five. Second cycle gained another 15 or so, lost only like 2 or 3 lbs (My PCT the second time around was better, I followed your recs). So I am 6'3" and before my cycles I was only 190 lbs and now I am 223.5. I am thrilled with my gains. I have gone far beyond any of my goals and have had an awesome diet, sleep regimen, and intense workouts. So in other words, I am ready to take it to the next level. I like how Deca and Sustanon were mild in the side effects arena (Even tho deca dick is a bitch), and I am only 20 so I would like to keep my full head of thick curly hair ya know.

For my third cycle, I would like to get even bigger and more ripped (well duh lol). I especially want that shredded look and heard that Winny does that, but I am looking to get even bigger and doesn't Winny kinda slim you up?

Anyway, just wanted your recs on a possible third cycle for me (should I Just do your Cycle 3 with the oral?) What I don't want to do is do a cycle and not have it be enough and spend a lot of money, like the more cycles you do the more your dosages have to be right? Well look forward to hearing your advice.

[Phreezer]

Originally Posted by iceman7mc

I started my cycle today with 200 mg of test/week and have only 300 mg total of Deca. (6 50mg injectibles ). I took one of the 50 mg deca injectables today. I'm willing to buy more deca since i know that 50 mg/week is nothing, but in the meantime can i inject all 6 of the 50mg injectables in one week equalling 300 mg total for the week, untill i get more. Is it ok to inject the 50mg decas on separate days of one week or should all be taken one after the other? Would it be completely pointless to take 50 mg/week for 6 weeks while taking 200 mg/week of test?

Ummm.... Why would you start a cycle without having everything that you needed?

Anyway... Yes.. YOu could take them all in one week.. all at once.. 1 shot every day.... But since you just started.. you may want to wait until you have everything that you need... INCLUDING NOLVA and everything for PCT..

I would definitly add in some more test... I would double the amount to 400mg weekly instead of just 200mg.

[Phreezer]

I'm glad to hear that you had good success... It makes me happy to know that people are getting some good of this thing that I wrote...

First things first... You could run the exact same cycle again.. and still get good results.. this stuff about having to keep uping the bar after every cycle isn't the most truthful statement in the world.. You would probably still do okay on just 500mg of test a week...

The thing about winstrol.. it is not intended to be used as a bulker. It is good at hardening the muscle and it has good muscle spareing effects (Which is why it is a good dieting and cutting drug) It does not "Slim" you up.

If you want to get bigger run cycle # 2 again or run Cycle #3.. Then cut down with a winstrol test cycle after you finish your PCT...(Just to note, I hate winstrol and find tren to be a much better choice)

Take care,

Phreezer

Originally Posted by Brian

Hey Phreezer, I just got done with my second cycle. My first cycle was 500 mg/wk of just Sustanon. Second cycle was 500mg/wk of Sustanon plus 300mg/wk of Deca (I followed your first two cycles in other words). FIrst cycle I gained 20 lbs, lost about five. Second cycle gained another 15 or so, lost only like 2 or 3 lbs (My PCT the second time around was better, I followed your recs). So I am 6'3" and before my cycles I was only 190 lbs and now I am 223.5. I am thrilled with my gains. I have gone far beyond any of my goals and have had an awesome diet, sleep regimen, and intense workouts. So in other words, I am ready to take it to the next level. I like how Deca and Sustanon were mild in the side effects arena (Even tho deca dick is a bitch), and I am only 20 so I would like to keep my full head of thick curly hair ya know.

For my third cycle, I would like to get even bigger and more ripped (well duh lol). I especially want that shredded look and heard that Winny does that, but I am looking to get even bigger and doesn't Winny kinda slim you up?

Anyway, just wanted your recs on a possible third cycle for me (should I Just do your Cycle 3 with the oral?) What I don't want to do is do a cycle and not have it be enough and spend a lot of money, like the more cycles you do the more your dosages have to be right? Well look forward to hearing your advice.

[Brian]

Phreezer, hey thanks for the advice. I think I will run your Cycle 3 and try the Test and Deca with the oral. As for the Winny/tren, do you mean start a cycle directly after PCT? Or do I wait the usual four to six weeks? And what sort of Tren cycle would you recommend?

Also, I have noticed that after this cycle a couple weeks later I have had an almost complete loss of appetite where I am basically forcing food down my throat. Is that normal? I mean I am still eating about the same but just have little desire for food. I'm sure it will pass but was just wondering if you have experienced this.

Lastly, I did my HCG shots in my glutes and basically because the stuff is so watery it didn't lube the needle that well, so yeah the injections hurt and made me bleed too much. Basically, I want to try to abdomen area next time, can you tell me what kind of needles to buy? And how often do you need to buy a new ampoule opener?

And while I'm at it (lol), I noticed that on my second cycle my heart just never stopped beating fast, like just lying down I could feel my heart pounding. Just wanted to see if that was normal...

Thanks!

[Phreezer]

A loss of appetite is not common on gear.... If you're heart is pounding when you lay down while you are on cycle it may be that the side effects of using AAS may be too much for you... it is not common to have thunderous beating while on gear.. it is however, and uncommon and severe side effect.. you may wish to discontinue any use of AAS in the future..

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

A loss of appetite is not common on gear.... If you're heart is pounding when you lay down while you are on cycle it may be that the side effects of using AAS may be too much for you... it is not common to have thunderous beating while on gear.. it is however, and uncommon and severe side effect.. you may wish to discontinue any use of AAS in the future..

I meant loss of appetite a couple weeks after I was off the gear...And damn about the heart beating thing, maybe I was just overreacting? Anyway thanks for the help.