Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Phreezer's First cycle FAQ within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I know this was asked before but wasn't answered, so here it is:
for the third cycle you recommended sust ...
I know this was asked before but wasn't answered, so here it is:
for the third cycle you recommended sust,d eca and dbol, would droppoing the deca and running 500mg sust/week with 40mg dbol/day be a good first cycle, and then following the PCT protocols you laid out?
Was also considering lengthening it to 10 weeks as well.
Man its great that you take the time to help all of us noobs out.
Thanks alot
around how much should this whole deal cost me .. say i do the third one and the post cycle to go with it. i found some dbol, its a lil over a dollar a day, is that average. bad, man i really have no idea. ive been lifting for some time and have no real problem gaining weight, i just want to be big and lean. thanks so much for all the info thus far.
Hey Pheezer, I was thinking of taking 500mg of sust a week but I was wondering, can I sub the 2nd sust shot a week with deca? That way Im only running say 550mg of testosterone week instead of 800mg. Or would I be wasting my time? I dont feel comfortable running that much juice. I dont want to worry about the side effects that much. Im super prone to gyno. Thanks
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YOu could just take 250mg of test on monday and then 250 of test along with 300mg of deca on Thursday... that's how I would do it.. I don't know how you arrived at 800mg weekly of test ? . ? .
anyway.. if you're pron to gyno you should have some nolvadex on hand.. just in case..
I got 800 by adding the deca like you suggest. 250+250+300=800. I was wondering if I went 250mg sust + 300mg deca = 550/wk would I be wasting my time? 215lbs 5'10 BF 12% I used novla last time and I still got some lite gyno, what gives? I took 25mg/day every morning the whole way through. Thats why I dont want to risk going on a higher dosage you know? I ran 250 enanthate + 200 deca a week, thats all. It was liquid nolva that I got off of here when we had the classifieds around. Was the novla bunk? or am I just super prone? Thanks. Oh yeah, I liked the results from the 450mg cycle. That was my 4th one.
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well deca is not a form of test.... I don't know where you got that but it's very different.. You could run 375mg a week of test and 300mg Deca.. Take 250mg on Monday of test then on thursday take 125mg test and 300mg Deca..
I myself would think you need to bump the test up to 500mg weekly if you're going to be running deca.. but to each his own..
WRT to Gyno.. it could be that you are pron to Progestiron gyno.. IN which case Nolva wouldn't help you no matter how much you took.. See deca converts to progestiron instead of estrogen (which is what test converts to) ... I don't have the time to completely explain this process but it is easily something you can search for..
Again.. Test is Not Deca.. you can't just combine it all and call it x amount of mg's weekly.. they are two very different compounds..
I need to learn to be more specific when I post. When I said total test I was emplying that all anabolic/androgenic synthedic chemicals are test, since that is what they look and act like in the body, or so Ive read. Im sorry I cant articulate enough, but if you would bare with me, how can I counter progesterone induced gynocomastia? Proviron? My body is converting too much to DHT? Would I still run the tamox for the test at 300/wk and however much for the DHT inhibitor? Or are my numbers too low to worry about? Should I just stay away from anything that aromatizes into DHT? Sorry to hijack the thread, would I be able to PM with anything further? Thanks.
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Lol.. this thing is 6 pages long.. I doubt very seriously you could Hijack it at this point..
Anyway to answer your question.. Oestrogen is necessary for progesterone induced symptoms to occur... one way to avoid this is to keep oestrogen levels as low as possible to help avoid the acitivation of progesterone.. A good drug that will help with this is arimidex.. The amount of deca you'd be taking is low enough that this shouldn't be an issue however.. if you are hypersensitive to progesterone induced gyno you may want to run .5mg EOD of arimidex.. if you start to develop any puffiness or soreness in the nipples.. you should either discontine the use of deca for good or you may try increasing the amount of arimidex to .5mg ED... I would go with the former..
But again.. the doses you are talking about are fairly low and I wouldn't think you'd have that big of a problem..
Wow what can I say, great information and to the point phreezer.
I have already posted my questions in couple of other threads but I will do so again.
I would like to use your second cycle based on what I have read here and in other posts. Deacon recommened pretty much the same sycle. My question is why should I not go straight for a tren/test cycle? Because of side effects only? I am looking to gain 10-15 lbs of lean muscle. I am 37 yo at 5 11 and 182 lbs.I am looking at this as a one time thing only, I wont be doing any more cycles a year later. Obviously I am not a bb. I want the mass gain to be quality, meaning I want to maintain the faint six pack I have. Oh yeah and I did a 4 week deca only cycle 17 months ago :-(
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