Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Phreezer's First cycle FAQ within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; Originally Posted by Jon1983
Thanks for the reply guys so that would mean for example a 10 ml vial of ...
Thanks for the reply guys so that would mean for example a 10 ml vial of Test E that is 200mgs/ml is 2000 total mgs correct? So if I wanted to do a 12 week cycle of Test E of 400 mgs per week and 4800 mgs total I would need three 10 ml vials which will equal 6000 mgs 1200 more mgs than I would need but no big deal is that correct though? Also staying on the same subject how much of the results could one expect to keep after finishing their 12 week cycle of Test E? One last question would it be better to take the anti estrogen such as nolvadex during the Test E cycle or after?
Thanks
Use something that lowers the conversion of test to estrogen during the cycle such as arimidex or aromasin.
For PCT (Post cycle therapy) read the PCT sticky, then PM me or post a thread with specific questions. Most of the members here would be more than happy to help people such as yourself.
HI Phreezer....I have read the threads there and must say one of the best threads I have ever found
hi brothers, I have started Cycle 3 as follows but slightly adjusted:
week 1 to week 4
1. D-bol 30 mg per day into 3 doses, 250 mg sustanon once per week and 30 mg Stanozolol into 3 doses
week 5 to week 8
2. sustanon 250 mg once per week.
I understand the thread says PCT, I have however bought Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any brothers can tell me how i take Clomid , the first day after the last shot ? Can I take Clomid alone without HCG, Nolvadex Arimidex ? Also, when do i suppose to stop Clomid ?
last bit, : when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid ?
dear super moderator, i did read the post but somehow confused. if you dont; mind, perhaps please please please let me know which parts i miss so far
when can I resume the test cycle again ? 2 months after the last day of clomid / Arimidex? I read the post and it seems to suggest that either Clomid or Arimidex but not both since both of them does similar things.
So, please help me. I already got the 3rd shots of Sustanon and now stopped Dbol after 4 weeks.
is it also true to say or easier to remember, two months in and two months out ?
Ok, so after my research this is what I got can someone tell me if this looks correct? I will be doing a 12 week cycle of test e, 400 mgs a week 4800 mgs total all together. I will also be taking Nolvadex 10 mg per day (1/2 tab) 840 mgs total all together.
Test E & Nolvadex
Week 1 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 2 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 3 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 4 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 5 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 6 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 7 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 8 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 9 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 10 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 11 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
Week 12 400 mgs (2 ml per week inject twice a week Mon & Fri)
Nolvadex: 10 mg (1/2 tablet) each day 70 mg total a week
PCT
Clomid starting 14 days after Test E & Nolvadex cycle is finished
Day 1: Clomid 150 mg
Day 2-8: Clomid 100 mg each day
Day 9-16: Clomid 50 mg each day
Day 17-24 Clomid 50 mg every other day
I hope this PCT is correct, because still after all the research I have done I am still kinda of confused on PCT I understand that there are SERMS and AI's. I am using two Serms Nolvadex and Clomid is it ok not to use an AI?
Also how long from the day I finish my PCT can I begin another Test E with Nolvadex cycle?
You probably won't need 10 mg of Nolva with 400 mg EW of Sust. Good to have on hand, though, in case of itchy or burning or painful nips. You will be playing it safe by using it at that level. In later cycles, you might prefer small doses of arimidex instead.
Since you plan to get your body used to Nolva on cycle, I see no reason not to continue using it for your PCT. You're planning a very short PCT, but you could run Nolvadex along with the Clomid at 40-30-20-10.
I see you're doing w/o HCG. You probably won't need it, but don't freak out if your testicles begin to feel like raisins. HCG prevents that shrinkage & is thought to speed up recovery. It's widely available, especially from old Europe.
You should be off-cycle the same number of weeks you were on + PCT weeks. So if your cycle was 12 weeks then you waited two weeks before beginning PCT & then did a four-week PCT, you should not go on cycle again for 18 weeks. Of course, getting bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after completing PCT would tell you whether your natural testosterone levels have returned. If all is in order, you'd know it's time to pump-you-up again.
You probably won't need 10 mg of Nolva with 400 mg EW of Sust. Good to have on hand, though, in case of itchy or burning or painful nips. You will be playing it safe by using it at that level. In later cycles, you might prefer small doses of arimidex instead.
Since you plan to get your body used to Nolva on cycle, I see no reason not to continue using it for your PCT. You're planning a very short PCT, but you could run Nolvadex along with the Clomid at 40-30-20-10.
I see you're doing w/o HCG. You probably won't need it, but don't freak out if your testicles begin to feel like raisins. HCG prevents that shrinkage & is thought to speed up recovery. It's widely available, especially from old Europe.
You should be off-cycle the same number of weeks you were on + PCT weeks. So if your cycle was 12 weeks then you waited two weeks before beginning PCT & then did a four-week PCT, you should not go on cycle again for 18 weeks. Of course, getting bloodwork done 4-6 weeks after completing PCT would tell you whether your natural testosterone levels have returned. If all is in order, you'd know it's time to pump-you-up again.
Good luck but do it right,
Solo
Thanks for the reply man. I would rather be safe than sorry (gyno) thats why I would take the nolvadex with the test e. But I have a few questions I hope you can anwser. When you say I should take the Nolvadex with the Clomid 40-30-20-10 I am a little confused my math is not that good as I posted above so when you say 40-30-20-10 do you mean 40 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the first week than 30 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the second week and so on? Now about HCG the reason I didn't add it to the PCT was I am still a little confused because some people say as long as I am taking Clomid I don't really need the HCG but after what you said I am starting to understand a little more. So according to the first post I should take HCG the day after my last Test E injection for 10 days correct? But this is were my math becomes a problem again when he says 1000IU’s For Ten days I am confused how do I figure how many mg/ml that is? I don't know anything about IU's. Also like you said if my total cycle was lets say 18 weeks with PCT my next cycle should begin 18 weeks from the day my PCT ended correct?
Thanks for the reply man. I would rather be safe than sorry (gyno) thats why I would take the nolvadex with the test e. But I have a few questions I hope you can anwser. When you say I should take the Nolvadex with the Clomid 40-30-20-10 I am a little confused my math is not that good as I posted above so when you say 40-30-20-10 do you mean 40 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the first week than 30 mgs (nolvadex and clomid) each day the second week and so on? Now about HCG the reason I didn't add it to the PCT was I am still a little confused because some people say as long as I am taking Clomid I don't really need the HCG but after what you said I am starting to understand a little more. So according to the first post I should take HCG the day after my last Test E injection for 10 days correct? But this is were my math becomes a problem again when he says 1000IU’s For Ten days I am confused how do I figure how many mg/ml that is? I don't know anything about IU's. Also like you said if my total cycle was lets say 18 weeks with PCT my next cycle should begin 18 weeks from the day my PCT ended correct?
any help will be great
It's not really math but common sense that's needed. Phreezer is an old school expert, so he only uses HCG at the end of a cycle & prefers clomid over nolvadex. It works that way but you may have to put up with shrunken testes during your cycle. Using HCG at 500 iu 2x EW will prevent testicular shrinkage and help with recovery. BUT in this first rather small cycle you might want to see if you're one of those who don't suffer shrinkage. You can always start HCG later if you are. Do not use HCG during your clomid-nolva PCT as they will be fighting each other, though you may use it, as Phreezer says, just before (& after your last injection).
I was suggesting Nolvadex at 40 mgs in week one of your PCT, 30 mgs in week two, 20 in week three, and 10 in week four. If you want to cover all bases and do clomid at the same time, it's up to you. Clomid has some peculiar emotional sides for some of us but they are bearable.
International Units — iu — has nothing to do with to with liquids but with the HCG powder. If you get, say a 5000 iu bottle of HCG then you add 100 ml (ml = cc) of bacteriostatic water to the HCG (after breaking off the neck), you will now have 100 ml of 5000 iu HCG solution. If you wanted to break that down, 100 / 10 = 10, and 5000 / 10 = 500. So each 10 ml of your HCG solution will have 500 iu of HCG in it. It's a small amount (0.10 of a cc) but enough to periodically inject.
Yes, total time off equals total time on. Still best to tell your doctor the truth and get bloodwork done before beginning again. (Does not apply if your doc has his head in his ass.)
Are you sure all this isn't too confusing for you? Believe me, there's lots of guys on gear who don't post here because they can't even put a sentence together, so you may be okay.
your writings are definteily easier to read and to understand than others. really appreciated I Just posted up my 1st cycle up above. do you mind if you can comment on whether I am doing the right thing
1. I have done Dbol for 4 weeks + Stanolozolol for 4 weeks [ NOW STOPPED ]
2. along side with Dbol and Stanolozolol as above, I have injected Sus 250 mg for 4 weeks [ once per week ] already and I am planning to do 8 weeks and then stop.
3. After 8 weeks., I can start my PCT on Clomid for 3 weeks, 150 mg 100 mg 50 mg and 25 mg and so on. I can ony find Aridimex and Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any good recommendation from your side if I take only Aridmidex and Clomid without HCG
that means I should be "time off" for another 11 weeks before I can do another cycle.
your writings are definteily easier to read and to understand than others. really appreciated I Just posted up my 1st cycle up above. do you mind if you can comment on whether I am doing the right thing
You're doing the right thing: Compliments will get you everywhere.
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Originally Posted by midstockbear
1. I have done Dbol for 4 weeks + Stanolozolol for 4 weeks [ NOW STOPPED ]
Good to hear.
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Originally Posted by midstockbear
2. along side with Dbol and Stanolozolol as above, I have injected Sus 250 mg for 4 weeks [ once per week ] already and I am planning to do 8 weeks and then stop.
So you were doing Dbol, Winstrol, & Sust for the past 4 weeks and now you're continuing with this minimal dose of 250 mg Sust EW...
I guess for a first timer that might be okay, but after all that Dbol & Stanolozolol, you may find you actually lose a little. I'd say go up to 500 mg EW of Sust for the next 8 weeks (if you've got the product).
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Originally Posted by midstockbear
3. After 8 weeks., I can start my PCT on Clomid for 3 weeks, 150 mg 100 mg 50 mg and 25 mg and so on. I can ony find Aridimex and Clomid but cannot find HCG. Any good recommendation from your side if I take only Aridmidex and Clomid without HCG
First, after using Sust, don't start your actual PCT until up to three weeks after your last injection. The long esters in Sustanon stay in your system a long time.
I'd say any PCT worth the name should go at least 4 weeks. If you're going with Clomid, first day do about 200 mg then go down to 100 mg for the rest of the week. (You may feel hot flashes & uncomfortable emotions from this.) Down to 50 mg for the next two weeks, and finish off at 25 mg. Because of those sides, most of us use Nolvadex instead. Four weeks would be 40/30/20/10.
Do not use Arimidex for PCT or you'll just get an estrogen backlash when you quit it. It's best used in small amounts during cycle, but if you don't get burning, itchy, or sore nips during cycle, don't use it at all.
You should not need HCG at 250 mg of Sust EW. If you go up to 500 mg EW, you may need to help get your testicles back to full size, but if you're young on your first cycle, they will return to size anyway.
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Originally Posted by midstockbear
that means I should be "time off" for another 11 weeks before I can do another cycle.
If I calculate right, you are on a 12 week cycle. Then you'll wait 3 weeks before beginning your 4 week PCT. That's a total of 21 weeks, brother. That means by the rule, time on = time off, you would not begin your next AAS cycle until 21 weeks after finishing your PCT. It's a good rule and you'll be wise to follow it.
Re: ml's...??? 
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