Phreezer's First cycle FAQ

Great info Phreezer. However I thought you start HCG during the last couple of weeks during the cycle as opposed to taking it after the cycle ends?

Originally Posted by Lil-BIG-Man

Thanks for the info phreezer and pred. I think i'm gonna start the cycle #2 in January. The only thing i worry about is gaining more bf....how much and how often can i do cardio while doing a bulking up cycle? I'd really like to lower my bf a little but i don't know if that's possible while doing this cycle. Maybe if i eat really healthy?

[Lil-BIG-Man]

Pheezer....I got three more questions for ya, if you don't mind....1. Would cycle #3 be too much for a first cycle? (just out of curiousity) 2. By eating plenty while cycling, would 20x your body weight be enough? and 3. At the end of my bulking and recovery cycle, i will not be able to lift for 2 months because i will be leaving to basic training....is there anything i can take before leaving to help reduce any muscle loss? Thanks again for all the info!

[Phreezer]

Originally Posted by KTCKSports

Great info Phreezer. However I thought you start HCG during the last couple of weeks during the cycle as opposed to taking it after the cycle ends?

This is a debate..I won't get into again...I'll try and find some info that Hogg wrote about this and post it here, that's the best I can do..

[Phreezer]

Originally Posted by Lil-BIG-Man

Pheezer....I got three more questions for ya, if you don't mind....1. Would cycle #3 be too much for a first cycle? (just out of curiousity) 2. By eating plenty while cycling, would 20x your body weight be enough? and 3. At the end of my bulking and recovery cycle, i will not be able to lift for 2 months because i will be leaving to basic training....is there anything i can take before leaving to help reduce any muscle loss? Thanks again for all the info!

1: No cycle #3 would not be too much, that's why it's listed as a newbie cycle..however it is the most complicated of the three and involves orals. It would be the most productive of all the cycles...

2: This varies from person to person..If your an endomorhph and you eat 20X your body weight in calories and you're allready a big boy..you're gonna get massively fat! However if, you're only 175lbs and you eat 20X bodyweight, you aren't going to gain very well...SO it's up to you and your body type,, I would suggest eating atleast 1.5 grams to 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight, and to eat atleast 500-700grams of carbs and about 50 grams of fat ED (not so much saturated fat, but you gotta do what you gotta do) Typically, I'd say 4000-4500 calories every day (BUT EVERYONE IS DIFFERANT)

3: Well, that's what the Post cycle recovery is about,,,but even with a perfect pct, you're gonna lose muscle...If you're going into the Military, I would advise skiping the cycle untill you're done with AIT. In Bootcamp you won't be able to get enough sleep and you'll be doing too much cardio to keep the mass you put on for your bulker...My advice..save your gear untill after your done with AIT and get stationed wherever that will be

[C-J]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

1: No cycle #3 would not be too much, that's why it's listed as a newbie cycle..however it is the most complicated of the three and involves orals. It would be the most productive of all the cycles...

2: This varies from person to person..If your an endomorhph and you eat 20X your body weight in calories and you're allready a big boy..you're gonna get massively fat! However if, you're only 175lbs and you eat 20X bodyweight, you aren't going to gain very well...SO it's up to you and your body type,, I would suggest eating atleast 1.5 grams to 2 grams of protein per lb of body weight, and to eat atleast 500-700grams of carbs and about 50 grams of fat ED (not so much saturated fat, but you gotta do what you gotta do) Typically, I'd say 4000-4500 calories every day (BUT EVERYONE IS DIFFERANT)

3: Well, that's what the Post cycle recovery is about,,,but even with a perfect pct, you're gonna lose muscle...If you're going into the Military, I would advise skiping the cycle untill you're done with AIT. In Bootcamp you won't be able to get enough sleep and you'll be doing too much cardio to keep the mass you put on for your bulker...My advice..save your gear untill after your done with AIT and get stationed wherever that will be

Well stated! My first cycle was a sus/deca/ stack with dbol 35mgs ED for 1st 6 weeks and winny wks 4-8. I put on 24 pounds and kept 16 of it.

I would wait till after you get settled, botcamp and AIT will have you so stressed that you wont even want to think about much else than getting the schools over, passing all the exams and heading to permenant duty station. You palnning jump school or RIP? Been there done that...got the Tshirt! Be safe bro!
CJ

[Phreezer]

testing my new sig

[dman]

Originally Posted by Phreezer

testing my new sig

how do u know if ur test level is back at normal after ur PCT ?? Can u feel it? can u check it up?...

[eleven11]

Originally Posted by dman

how do u know if ur test level is back at normal after ur PCT ?? Can u feel it? can u check it up?...

You'll know it......11 I made a comment in your thread a couple mins ago please read.....11

[The Bruiser]

Phreezer,

I'm just curious why you would recommend only 8 weeks on test (any ester except prop) when it takes 5 weeks, give or take, to kick in. Usually test is recommended for longer cycles, like 12, 16, etc. I would think 10 or 12 weeks would be more appropriate for newbies. At 8 weeks, you're only getting about 3 weeks of quality building before you have to stop.

[Phreezer]

Test is recommended for EVERY cycle...not just longer ones.. And I do not believe that it takes 5 weeks to kick in... Everyone I know personaly notices gains well within 3 weeks. And eight weeks is simple.. that's the point.. to keep it simple and get a good feel for what cycling is. I've ran a great deal of 8 week cycles in my life, and I've made it very close to 300lbs... So I know first hand that an 8 week cycle is a productive cycle. And 2 months is not an extremely short period of time.

Take care,

Phreezer

[wamozart]

If I go with the first cycle you posted, the 500 mg of Sustanon for 8 weeks, is the recovery cycle information you posted applicable? Or is it only applicable/needed for cycles 2 and 3?

Thanks,

Wamozart.

[Bob Smith]

Originally Posted by wamozart

If I go with the first cycle you posted, the 500 mg of Sustanon for 8 weeks, is the recovery cycle information you posted applicable? Or is it only applicable/needed for cycles 2 and 3?

Thanks,

Wamozart.

Yes, the recovery will be the same.

[Hiram]

Edited: [nevermind]

[deeznuts1972]

For PCT should the clomid be taken all at once or spread out over the day?

[Phreezer]

All at once... just take it before bed.