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Old 06-17-2005, 03:37 PM
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I'm one of those lucky individuals who is blessed with natural gyno,...had it since puberty @ 13yrs old, now I'm 26, and it seems like it may be getting worse. My dad has it quite bad,(his nipples aren't puffy like mine, but definatly @ least good B-C cup as far as breast fat, and his areola is much larger than a man's should be),........and I'm close to a carbon copy of him.

I guess it could be a little worse, as far as the fat distribution is concerned, my gyno is more axillary in nature. I do however have very sensitive nipples, probably more sensitive than most females. Nipples are also quite puffy. I also feel that although my natural test is o.k., (seondary sex traits, and fairly decent at building muscle, and strength), that being said, my natural estrogen level is probably higher than most. Along with the gyno, any weight gain, what so ever, even when I'm around 10% body fat, i'm more smooth and bloated than most everyone else at the same weight.

Anyway, b/c it seems as if genetics are starting to kick in and become much more apparent now, than say even 1-2 years ago, I have decided that I really need to get serious. Unfortunately surgery isn't an option until June of 06,(I'm in the process of saving for it though), due to $$$ reasons. However, I'm looking for a plan of action so that I'm not totally embarrased this summer,...(also have a secondary form of motivation in tapping some hot ass that will be in for one last summer visit w/ her parents, then off to the opposite coast for good).

Right now my plan is to lean out, to get rid of as much overall fat and especially axillary chest fat, as possible. I definatly need to be leaner anway,(I'm 5'11 240lbs, 18% body fat). While leaning out I want to take the appropriate substances to reduce as many of the gyno symptoms as I can without surgery.

Therefore I wanted to know what you guys thought of the supplements and research materials I'll be using, since I'm a novice with research chem's. Any suggustions or advice on dosing schemes or substitutions for what I'm thinking of using would definatly be appreciated.

My plan of attack is to bring down the body fat with a stricter diet, increased cardio, and add a T3, Clen and Sesathin combo to aide in this. As for the gyno, I'm looking on using Nolva, Femera and yohimburn,(ephedra free).

Also, b/c I'm afraid of loosing muscle to the T3, I was thinking about running some superdrol, (since I have a decent amount on hand/in storage,....hoarded it b/f the ban),.... and possibly some old H.M. gear products I have, Test OH and Nandrolone OH, supposidly void of the test and deca sides. Also on a side note I was thinking of starting to use Ketoconazole Shampoo that I took this winter due to seboria on the scalp, due to my receeding hairline starting to become noticable.

I choose the superdrol and H.M. Gear products b/c of what I saw in the write ups, (assuming they're somewhat close to being correct), "They" say these products have little to no aromitization, and they won't shut u down, (HPTA axis). Not sure if this is dead on though. I'm also a little concerned about the continual use of Ketoconazole Shampoo on exaserbating or resisting my gyno efforts.

So there's the novel, (I apologize for the length). Here are the questions: 1. Any substitutions for the gyno products I plan to use. 2. Recommended dosage for Nolva, considering my scenario,.....and T3,( I hear a lot of conflicting info. on dosage and tapering of this). 3. Is the supplement/anabolic scheme needed or appropriate, (especially considering the T3), ...I'm trying to stay as strong as possible and reatin as much as muscle as possible while on a cutting cycle. 4. Ketoconzole Shampoo, to include or not to include, gyno vs. receeding hairline. 5. Anything else that I missed, that will help educate my simple minded

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My bad guys, somehow I missed Italian Prides "frikin estrogen" post,..... (must be more tired than I thougt, I missed it after looking at 30 posts on the search about gyno, and its the most recenty gyno post)...... that covers some of the questions I had, but if anyone has any other specific suggestions, feel free to post.
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get some tamoxifen from your doctor, see if that is of any assistance
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If he just has flab there, it wont help, but if it is overgrowth of breast tissue it might be worth a shot before going to surgery.
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Old 06-21-2005, 01:51 AM
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The 2 plastic surgeons I did consults with said that I have a little chest fat mixed with " a little bit of glandular gyno." I gather that they were trying to say that they've seen worse, b/c if a gland is there, it's there. Thanks for the advice though guys, I'll give the nolva a shot.

Another question as well. Being that I already have natural gyno, if I were to do a moderate to mild AAS cycle, (since it would be my first real cycle), I was wondering how much worse, the gyno could get,(assuming I did all the PCT correctly).........or since the gland is already present, would it stay relatively the same?

**** I say real cycle b/c I've used M1T b/f and I was dumb and didn't have nolva or clomid on hand, (got burnt on an order going through a local guy),........ but I didn't notice any worsening of my gyno from the M1T. However it was only a three week cycle at 15mg.
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The 2 plastic surgeons I did consults with said that I have a little chest fat mixed with " a little bit of glandular gyno." I gather that they were trying to say that they've seen worse, b/c if a gland is there, it's there. Thanks for the advice though guys, I'll give the nolva a shot.

Another question as well. Being that I already have natural gyno, if I were to do a moderate to mild AAS cycle, (since it would be my first real cycle), I was wondering how much worse, the gyno could get,(assuming I did all the PCT correctly).........or since the gland is already present, would it stay relatively the same?

**** I say real cycle b/c I've used M1T b/f and I was dumb and didn't have nolva or clomid on hand, (got burnt on an order going through a local guy),........ but I didn't notice any worsening of my gyno from the M1T. However it was only a three week cycle at 15mg.
Yes it can definitely get worse, especially since you're naturally prone. Use arimidex or other aromatase inhibitor during cycle and keep nolva on hand in case some gyno starts to develop. Also, avoid using AAS that are dificult to block gyno; ie Deca, which can have progesteronic effects, which have not been proven to be blocked. In this case you would substitue EQ, which converts only to estrogen and is therefore easily inhibited by arimidex / femara or combatted at the estrogen receptor which can be blocked by nolvadex. Some people claim to be able to block progesteronic or prolactin caused gyno, but since you are already prone, why take the risk?

Like these guys said if you have gyno as in glandular tissue buildup, not just fat, surgery is the only proven technique.

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