Playing cautious: Anavar/Primo cycle; comments?

[jago25_98]

I'm going for a slow and safe route:

Possibly:
- Anavar
- Anavar/Primo
- possibly some test with it

Main Questions:

- I haven't give Test much of a chance because I want the lowest possible chance of anything aromatising and causing the slightest Gyno or similar. Maybe this isn't fair?
- is HCG really needed; I wouldn't have thought so on such an non-andro cycle?


So here's the info I got so far, I've tried to take a leaf out of the women's juicing book:

myCycle:

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Ingredients:

Anavar, 'SPA', from Italy "aka Oxandrolone" 14x100mg ampules @ $18 (guide price = "Schering")
Primobolan, 'Schering', made in Spain "aka Methenolone Acetate" 200x5mg tabs @ $60/30tabs (guide price = "Planet Pharmacy")
H.C.G (aka "Pregnyl") 2x5000iu (conservative) @ $50/5000iu

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Prices:

Primo - 7x$60 = $420 (but 10 tabs spare)
Anavar - 14x$18 = $252
H.C.G - 2x$50 = $100
Total (US guide price) = $772

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Anavar/Primo cycle:

7 weeks with:
2x100mg/week Primo
20mg/day Anavar
Then 2 weeks with just:
5000iu/week HCG per ending week, tailing out

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Additional Supplements:

Creatine (pure)
GABA; supposed to encourage HGH release. Waste of money possibly. Needs using up
Some L-Glutamine; needs using up

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Questions left:

- Best Test option to add?
- Alternatively, what about Andriol?; supposed to 'combine well' with Anavar
- Protein from natural sources only; possible or bad idea?
- Get away with lower doses?
- Other option is to lose the Primo and replace with Test for synergy or just own it's own.
- Need accounts of:
- Primo/Anavar synergy
- Primo/Test synergy
- Anavar/Test synergy
- The final decision may be made by availability etc
- "Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles" <- ? taking creatine?

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Notes:

- Primo also available as tabs
- Primo non-tabs; "no fakes yet", yet other source says it's faked alot, though turkey and greece should be safe
- Guide price no doubt high; I'm in UK and price are from online
- Anavar; "developed for children"

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Names:

Substance: Oxandrolone (Anavar)

Trade Names:

Anavar (o.c.)
2.5 mg tab.;
Searle U.S.

Anatrophill (o.c.)
2.5 mg tab.;
Searle FR

Lipidex
2.5 mg tab.;
Searle Brazil

Lonavar (o.c.)
2.5 mg tab.;
Searle Argentina

Lonavar
2 mg tab.;
Dainippon Japan

Oxandrolone SPA
2.5 mg tab.;
SPA I

Vasorome
0.5 mg tab.;
Kowa Japan

Oxandrolone
5 mg tab.;
Ttokkyo Labs

Vasorome
2 mg tab.;
Kowa Japan

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Substance: Methenolone Enanthate (Primo)

Trade Names:

Primobolan Depot
100 mg/ml;
Schering G, A, B, CH, ES, GR, 1, PT, TK; Berlimed

Primobolan Depot (o.c.)
100 mg/ml;
Schering FR

Primobolan Depot
50 mg/ml;
Schering Mexico

Primobolan Depot mite
50 mg/ml;
Schering G

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Misc Info:

"WARNING. Primobolin is faked all the time so you better know your source VERY well or you may get test cyp or another cheaper compound! All 50mg ampules are safe as none have yet to be duplicated . Greek primo is safe. They are in a clear glass ampule and printed with green lettering and are 100mg/ml. Be sure to look for the Greek ID sticker on its box just in case. Turkish Primo is safe as well."

"Schering has recently altered the look of their Spanish 100mg amps. They now have clear glass with a paper label and three rings on the amp tip, one is yellow and two red. Fakes have a larger than normal blue dot on the amp head.....get help from from someone that has used Primo before for identification purposes."

"use an insulin syringe in order to get an accurate dose"

[karlHungus]

to begin, i would definitely consider adding test to your cycle. even at such low doses you will probably be shut down and need some sort of external test in your body to maintain your sex drive.
i am by no means an advocate of high dose cycles, but this is the 1st time i've seen someone attempting to use a modified women's cycle. if you are in fact worried about gyno being a problem, maybe you should research some info on anti-estrogens.
and finally,

what exactly are you goals for this cycle?

[jago25_98]

Goals - I'll try to articlate how I feel as best I can.

My clear goal is just to speed up progress in what I'm already doing in the safest possible way.

But in the results I'm very openminded as to goals;

- if strength improves that's great because I'm trying to build back strength (preventing hunchback).
- if my frame builds as in bodybuilding then I'm happy to look better
- if endurance improves that's handy for any sport I do
- if nothing improves that's fine. I finish the cycle and carry on

I don't want to set clear goals. My only real goal is to be safe while catalysing the muscle building process. I don't want to be able to bench x pounds or run x miles. Working out is what I am and it feels like a part of my deserved identity I like. I want to do this so I can surf longer, workout harder and so forth. The goals aren't concrete. I like to take things as they come.

Now, I'm sure you're thinking "Then why bother - go natural". The answers simple; been training 5 years and it's slow going, very slow going. A lot of pain for very little gain. Actually this could be because I was working out when not fully mature; lower Testosterone - I'm 23 and only need to shave every 3 days. But nevertheless.

Why do people drink alcohol; because it aids enjoyment. So will this - no, actually I KNOW it will because from the progress I've made over the last 5 years I've experienced it. Why not try it and see where it leads? I can take things as they come. I don't want to put expectations on something only for it not to deliver.

[Endocrine_Supply]

What your considering is safe... but the doseges are not high enough to do much at all.

If safety is your concern I think the length of the cycle is a more important factor than the dose.

Keep your cycles no longer that 28 days and double the amount your considering now. You would have decent gains while not particularily disrupting your own HTPA.

BTW, andriol is useless... dont bother with it. If you want test you need to inject or use a good TDS. Later. -ES

[Endocrine_Supply]

BTW, Drop that HCG shit. You dont need it. -ES

[jago25_98]

"even at such low doses you will probably be shut down and need some sort of external test in your body to maintain your sex drive."
^
I thought that Primo shouldn't be too bad for this:
"However, when used by itself at modest doses, by suppressing natural testosterone and DHT production, it can improve skin relative to using no anabolic steroids at all.":
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...olan-depot.htm

Thought Anavar was totally safe for this sort of thing:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...xandrolone.htm

Endocrine: Thanks for the info on cycle length vs dosage amounts. I was under the assumption that it's better to run something for a long time at low dosage than run it high for a short time.

HCG - thanks, thought I didn't need it. It was on a site with info on anavar/primo cycles. I guess they just wanted to sell more HCG.

I'll now try and figure what the least toxic TDS and Test option is.

p.s.

Oh, and that GABA was just thrown in because I've got it here and needs using up. Thought I'd combine it with everything as hoping for synergy. However, does GABA actually do much?
"I wonder if this could help women build muscle. It's a supplement called GABA (Gamma Amino butyric acid). Taking about 2000 mg/day just before sleep has been found to increase HGH (Human growth hormone) 5 times. Also the cool thing is GABA stimulates HGH release by the pituitary glands (so it's fully natural and safe). Studies so far have indicated no side effect associated with this.
HGH being a growth hormone is associated with muscle mass. HGH increases lean muscle mass, DECREASES body fat, REVERSES ageing, increases metabolism and cell repair. Unlike DHEA and Androgel HGH doesn't have steroid associated side effects (bitch tits, thinning hair, BPH). Also it doesn't have any masculine side effects like testosterone, neither is it metabolised to estrogen or testosterone (DHEA converts to estrogen, testosterone and their metabolites). So women can remain as feminine (infact better with HGH's anti ageing, fat loss promoting properties).
So I'd say women can go for GABA... you get it at GNC, CVS, Walgreens inthe amino acid section"
^ from:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hreadid=169075

[Endocrine_Supply]

There are a million things that will raise HGH bro.

GABA is just another run of the mill amino acid type supplement. If you already got it then use it, it cant hurt. But personaly I know I wouldnt go out and buy it. Good luck. -ES