Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on *PLEASE HELP*Nolvadex: Expert says it doesn't hurt AAS results?! within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I have a friend who is a beginner bodybuilder, and he is taking advice from a "expert" who is instructing ...
*PLEASE HELP*Nolvadex: Expert says it doesn't hurt AAS results?!
I have a friend who is a beginner bodybuilder, and he is taking advice from a "expert" who is instructing him to take nolvadex daily(even though he hasn't had any nipple swelling/sensitivity). The expert is telling my friend that taking Nolvadex will not negitively effect his results. He will read this thread, so, why not take nolvadex? Should he take any anti-e(maybe arimidex or femera?)? Should he wait till he has some symptoms? Are there any articles about this subject?
I have a friend who is a beginner bodybuilder, and he is taking advice from a "expert" who is instructing him to take nolvadex daily(even though he hasn't had any nipple swelling/sensitivity). The expert is telling my friend that taking Nolvadex will not negitively effect his results. He will read this thread, so, why not take nolvadex? Should he take any anti-e(maybe arimidex or femera?)? Should he wait till he has some symptoms? Are there any articles about this subject?
Thanks,
Aaron
This is a long standing debate. The theory is that Nolvadex blocks the estrogen receptors and thus prevents the "gear" from aromatizing. This, to some, means the "gear" wasn't allowed to finish its job. Others will argue that the "gear" has already done its work before it aromatizes. I've personally done both, waiting until symptoms appear to begin Nolvadex, and taking Nolvadex starting day 1. I didn't notice any difference in gains either way, but it did aid in the water retention area taking it daily.
I beg to differ. Nolvadex blocks estrogen receptors in some places and activates others, ergo, no receptor for the gear, no aromitization. Plain and simple. This is further established in trial and error after feeling symptoms (itchy nips) and beginning therapy with Nolvadex, time and time again the symptoms subside. Why? Because Nolvadex competes for the same receptors.
I beg to differ. Nolvadex blocks estrogen receptors in some places and activates others, ergo, no receptor for the gear, no aromitization. Plain and simple. This is further established in trial and error after feeling symptoms (itchy nips) and beginning therapy with Nolvadex, time and time again the symptoms subside. Why? Because Nolvadex competes for the same receptors.
I beg to differ. Nolvadex blocks estrogen receptors in some places and activates others, ergo, no receptor for the gear, no aromitization. Plain and simple. This is further established in trial and error after feeling symptoms (itchy nips) and beginning therapy with Nolvadex, time and time again the symptoms subside. Why? Because Nolvadex competes for the same receptors.
You are halfway right...nolva does block estrogen receptors but it doesn't prevent aromitization. You're thinking of Arimidex. Testosterone mainly aromitizes in the liver. This converts it into Estrogen and this estrogen binds to receptors causing Gyno. Nolva blocks this action but the estrogen remains in your blood.
Nolva lowers IGF 1 levels.Thats where the theory that it cuts into gains comes from.I remember a seminar by Milos Sarcev.He was telling about a study that was done on some of the top IFBB pros.They were on gear / GH without Nolva and had their IGF 1 levels checked.They started Nolva and had them checked again and their IGF 1 levels had dropped dramatically! I try not to use Nolva when using GH.Your goal using GH is to raise IGF 1 , by taking Nolva you are kinda defeating the purpose.I usually use Proviron,but plan on using Aromasin next cycle ( Doesnt lower IGF 1 )
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