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Old 07-12-2008, 11:56 AM
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Default Plz Plz Help: First Cycle but some underlying Medical Problems (NO ONE IS HELPING ME)

Description is a bit long but i desperately need help as no one understands much about my underlying problem and possible interactions with the cycle.
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I have been Bodybuilding for around 9-10 years. I had a good natural physique around 6 years back (height 5-11 weighing 180 pound with good natural muscle). All of a sudden I developed some gastric problem and couldn’t eat and doctors couldn’t diagnose my disease for 3 years and I lost about 50 pounds and came onto 130 pounds, depressed with loss of power, muscle and unable to eat anything. Then a doctor diagnosed my problem that is very rare is called appendicial mucocele and had to undergo surgery to remove the appendix some two years back. After the surgery I felt 50% better but still at this moment I couldn’t eat much as I used to 5 years back and due to tension/ depression I have got hypertension as well as severe acid reflux disease.
I am taking three medicine right now for the above conditions.
1. Nexium 80mg (40mg x 2) a proton pump inhibitor for Lyrngeophyrengeal reflux disease)
2. Tinormin 25mg (A beta Blocker) for Hypertension / high blood pressure and arrithymia
3. Valium 10mg at night as an anti anxiety and for insomnia.
I am trying hard to build muscles but without steroids I don’t think I will be able to gain beyond the point I am right now. I now weigh 165 pounds on natural diet and regularly taking above medicines on daily basis for my health. I am planning to do my first cycle as follows but I want to know if any of the below mentioned medicines will interact with Tinormin (a beta blocker) for hypertension. More over baldness runs in my family so I am adding finastride in my cycle as I already am loosing hair at a slow pace from front sides.
By the way I am 31 years old, married and have a 10 months old baby boy.
So please inform if the below cycle will be safe for my Hair, Gynocometsia risk, and any interaction with the above mentioned medicine especially the beta blocker as it slows down the heart rate. If beta blocker interferes with the below mentioned cycle, I can change it to calcium channel blocker (like norvasc) for my hypertension.

My hybertension is not severe, its moderate. (without medicine it goes to 145/95) and with medicine it is in range of 120/80.
I will try to eat protein based diet with carbs inclusive with around 1500 plus calories. I cant eat more coz of my stomach and reflux problem but I am desperate to build muscles as I used to had earlier which I am not getting without juice with natural training and diet.
So here goes the cycle.

So here goes the cycle.
Weeks 1-10:
500mg testosterone enanthate per week
1 quarter tablet of proscar per day (1.25mg) for Male pattern baldness
1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg) for coping up with risk of gyno and prostrate enlargement.
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg) for not shutting down the natural test production (may be i m wrong on this) and cope up with risk of gyno

Week 11:
250 mg testosterone enanthate per week
*1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)

Week 12:
*250mg testoste enanthate per week
*1 quarter tablet of Proscar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)

Week 13:
*1.25mg of Proscar per day
*.25mg of Arimidex every other day
*150mg of clomid every day
Week 14:
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
*100mg of clomid every day
Week 15:
• 50mg clomid first three days
• 25mg (half tablet) clomid 3 days.
• Stop every thing

For acne on the face, I will be using benzyl peroxide regularly and for oily hair I will try to find the Nizoral Shampoo (twice a day) if it is available in Pakistan.

Please help senior members and regular steroid users if this cycle will be ok giving less side effects to hair, prostrate, gyno risk and blood pressure issues. I will be taking my doctor’s prescribed medicine with this cycle also.

I am very sorry for a long description but I hope you guys understand my frustration as being into bodybuilding and then trapped in certain health problems which hinder into you body building process.

Await your kind replies.

Many thanks in advance.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:10 AM
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First of all, you need to read. After all, no one can help you if you cant help yourself. You obviosly have read nothing. I am bored now, So i'll interject.

You definitely need some of the things you have there on hand, and probably some others. You have given way too much though without enough research.

Regarding the acid reflux. You are 180 and 5'11". That is a textbook perfect weight. You MUST be starving yourself. No one stays that fit unless they are working their ass off, and you would be bigger than that. MY POInt is. You probably got the acid reflux problem due to the fact that you could not eat for a while. You have learned a new behavior (of not eating) and it is not helping. Juice aint gonna do noting for your size. I would weigh that much too if I was eating that little. With regard to the acid reflux. YOU NEED TO EAT!!!!! Stomach acid is designed to handle food. My throat would be tore up too if I ate that little!!. If your problem has been diagnosed and successfully treated, its time to start eating again. If you would just KEEP some food in your stomach, your stomach acid would be too busy to F'up your throat anymore. My recommendation is to get your self some calorie supps like metabolol II, or better, some good whey protein and dextrose shakes (they are pretty smooth on your stomach). THEN order plenty of pizza and always have one in the frige. Heat one piece EOH and enjoy. Its simple math, you will only be as big as your calorie intake. Something about energy, fuel, and metabolism, i dont know.. I'LL BET, that if you just kept yourself stuffed for (1) week, you would e able to continue eating "Normally" and not even have to take those reflux meds again. If that does not work, stick it out a bit longer and it will. YOUR ONLY PROBLEM WILL BE HOW FREAKING FAT YOU ARE IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING OUT EVERY DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Furher, you have overshot everything, you are assuming you will have these issues. That test dose may give no side effects, other than feeling great. With regard to your BP, that number is not that bad, especially if high side.

Plain and simple:
(1) stop acid reflux meds and keep food in your pocket all day long. There is no way your stomach can burn you up if it is busy with food. But, if you try to eat with the meds you will not have sufficient acid to digest more food. 8 Krystals will equal 8 bricks in your stomach. Personally I love Hostess cupcakes, however, they seem to be highly acidic, and even cause my stomach problems, so stay away for now (unless for desert and have other stuff in there). You may even start with them. REsearch, some things will tear your stomach up that would supprise you. Write down everythiing you eat (what little that is) and make sure you are not eating something like that little debble. REALLY, there is no food as strong as stomach acid, it will strip cement. SO you see, you cant really be affected that bad, or you would have a hole in you.
(2) PIZZA IS BEST (did I already say that). A slice of pepperoni may fit in you pocket if you wear loose pants.
(3) Get checked for Adult ADHD. You interested me to this point due to the fact that you fit the profile of a few people I have met in my time. The way you concoctked this elaborate cycle when you have not even read. You do not know you will have any problems. The addition of testosterone may put you back in a younger balance you have been missing. YOU JUST DONT KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY. Definitely have proper things on hand before starting.. You are missing the forrest due to that huge ADHD tree in your face!!!!!
(4) MOST IMPORTANTLY. Benchmark yourself. At a minimum get a doctor to document your total testosterone and your free testosterone. If you want to do it right, get an independent lab to run a complete or extended homone panel. Estrogen, LSH, etc. Your case will require you do this. You can have an indepent lab run all this off salvia via mail for 100 bucks. BUT get the doc to order bloodwork on all testosterone workups for sure. Your insurance will cover at a participating hospital.
(5) Keep the benzos as we all love to relax. For that matter, drop the valium and switch to POT. It will put you to sleep like a baby and you will have no qualms about eating. Guaranteed 30 pounds in 6 months or less!!!. A beer goes good with that and essential for easing paranoia.
(6) Stop and smell the flowers. You are a type A person that I have met before. LIFE IS TOO SHORT!!!! You are obviously at one of what should be the best times of your life. You have a child and you should enjoy. Again the pot may very well help solve your problem as it will relax you on an extended basis, even though I am only advocating using at night in your home.
(7) OK, the pot is not a deal breaker, I dont even smoke right now, I simply know it could help you. If you want to go a more legalized route lets look at your personality type, and the things I said about your half-cocked cycle workup. You spent heavy thought and detail on and uneducated cycle, bouncing wall to wall in your head. You bounced right off of the information in front of you, as ADHD is synonomous with OCD. You want to control this whole situation where you are not yet able, you are putting your own twist on this when the correct info was right there in front of you. STOP, LOOK, AND LISTEN. I know because I am ADHD and compulsive as shit.
YOU need to seek a shrink to consider whether or not you are diagnosed with "adult" ADHD. With I would really recommend the adderall for you because it will completely shut down the stomach acid production and leave you only in an "on demand" type situation. Your blood pressure is borderline. I am assuming you were giving figures on high day. They say the top number is the "Stroker" and the bottom number is the "heart clogger". My BP low is 125 over 83. All I have to do is think about anything other than the beach and I am at 145/92. These numbers are not that bad. I am 37. With all that said. You should try adderall. But take a valium before you go in cause your BP is borderline. Research docs well as many do not want to write that. You are wound up cause of to much going on up there at once. There are also non amphetamine based meds, but they wont shut your stomach down. Life is too short. You will have a heart attack in 2-5 years at this rate. Dont be one of those "skinny guys" that has a clogged heart.
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