post cycle depression

[mxim]

i just recently ended a 6 month cycle of 100mgs of test per week(replacement therapy).The first 2 months did include some anavar but the next 4 months was testosterone only with intermittent hcg shots at 500iu. i've been off for about 3 weeks and am doing 50mgs of clomid and i have to tell you,i feel absolutely horrible. i feel depressed,tired,and every other effect one would expect from low hormone levels. its perplexing that such a small dosage would inflict such withdrawl symptoms.interestingly enough,this is what i believe causes dependence and ones's reluctance to end a cycle in a proper time frame.i've been through this before and am able to convince myself that this is normal and time will fix my problem,although it provides me with little solace.its amazing,i am usually pretty outgoing but feel somewhat reclusive and anti social as of late.the self confidence literally gets flushed down the toilet and sometimes you have to slap yourself in the face and be remined that this is the cost of AAS and only a temporary situation.the icing on the cake is without doubt,the comments about looking much thinner as well as the sudden decrease in strength.its funny how people equate strength with size;i know the minute i lose strength i automatically feel smaller.the best thing to do is keep lifing but with weight that is within reason. i am naturally pretty strong so i can easily do 225 on the incline for 12 reps naturally.i'm 5-8 and 170lbs.doing the weight is'nt the bad part,its waking up the next day with aches and pains;another side effect of steroid withdrawl.one last note,i posted about a month ago how i was angered by my wife;s reluctance to engage in sex every five minutes. well,all i have to say is thank god she does'nt have a high sex drive because i would be in trouble. i could care less about sex at the moment but when i'm on,i'm out of control.moral to the stroty: i have no choice but to deal with withdrawl.

[MaxRep]

I'm not sure I understand. It sounds like you were on HRT and now you're off it? That doesn't make sense, once you go on HRT, it's for life, you don't go off.

Whether your natural Test was gone before or not, you don't say but your natural Test production is definitely gone now, after being on Test for 6 months. At this point, a little bit of clomid won't do shit for restarting your own Testosterone.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[toc67guru]

mxim post this on the trt forum for swale to reply.
you may have no alternative but to use the 100mg dose of test for life along with hcg for testicular atrophy.
pct using clomid is for steroid cyclers to recover hpta through clomid preventing negative feedback of estrogen on the hypathalmus thus increasing LH for the testes to increase natural testosterone production.
if your body does not respond by increasing LH from using a serm(nolvodex/or clomid)you will require exongenous testosterone(gel/or injections) for the rest of your life.
clomid is known to cause emotional side effects like depression.

what was the reason you started trt?
were you diagnosed hypogonadal from steroid use?
if so did you follow thorough pct therapy?

[mxim]

i have used AAS for the past 15 years on and off but at low dosages.my body responds to hcg and clomid. after 2 weeks of clomid my T levels increase to 620 from 305.of course this was after being clean for a year. i just think my body reset itself to a lower T level. even though my body responds to clomid and hcg,indication that my testes are ok,will my HTPA ever recover in your opinion and what ways do you know of that can jelp?
thanks

[atomicone]

Your situation wouldn't qualify for true HRT if your Test levels eventually go back to normal.

Originally Posted by mxim

i have used AAS for the past 15 years on and off but at low dosages.my body responds to hcg and clomid. after 2 weeks of clomid my T levels increase to 620 from 305.of course this was after being clean for a year. i just think my body reset itself to a lower T level. even though my body responds to clomid and hcg,indication that my testes are ok,will my HTPA ever recover in your opinion and what ways do you know of that can jelp?
thanks

[mxim]

they only go back to normal when using clomid.if i refrain from using clomid,my levels are locked in a range of 300-350.

[THAIGUY]

i been juicing a long time on/ off too. on or off, i dont get depressed so much as just inner unrest. i could overtrain until the muscles rip off the bone. but of course the pain stops that. i want to do something , i dont know what, but nothing ever satifies. rec drugs make all this go away for an hour or so , but then it comes back . your lucky the test even works for sex after that long. i can use alot of test but still not be able to '' finish '' when others are present. i dont even think of women anymore, just young thai men.{ i used to seriously hate homos growing up}. can fuck but cant cum with any of them. even with viagra. i use pills to sleep , to fuck , to lift. this is not what i had in mind.....but anyway at least i can still have my steroids i guess. sometimes i feel like giving up and checking out. if you can stay off and get back to normal it is not so bad bro.

[THAIGUY]

heres a joke to cheer you up............ a goat and a lion are at a stream drinking water. the lion says to the goat,'' i think ill eat you today''. and the goat says , '' no , if you eat me , the world will be finish''.. so the lion says '' then i dont want to eat you''... and the goat runs away..... later the lion says to himself '' boy , am i stupid. if i eat that goat , only HIS world will be finish!''..........i guess the moral of the joke is that a life is a life, even a little goats world is everything to him.....

[atomicone]

You still don't qualify for true HRT.

Originally Posted by mxim

they only go back to normal when using clomid.if i refrain from using clomid,my levels are locked in a range of 300-350.

[mxim]

why would i not qualify for hrt?

Originally Posted by atomicone

You still don't qualify for true HRT.

[atomicone]

If your Test levels will come back up to 600+ like you said earlier using clomid etc. then your nuts are still functioning, for now anyways.

Originally Posted by mxim

why would i not qualify for hrt?

[toc67guru]

atomicone mxim only gets back to normal when he uses clomid when he stops it he drops to low normal.this to me indicates he is hypogonadal requiring trt.

[mobiedick]

Originally Posted by mxim

i just recently ended a 6 month cycle of 100mgs of test per week(replacement therapy).The first 2 months did include some anavar but the next 4 months was testosterone only with intermittent hcg shots at 500iu. i've been off for about 3 weeks and am doing 50mgs of clomid and i have to tell you,i feel absolutely horrible. i feel depressed,tired,and every other effect one would expect from low hormone levels. its perplexing that such a small dosage would inflict such withdrawl symptoms.interestingly enough,this is what i believe causes dependence and ones's reluctance to end a cycle in a proper time frame.i've been through this before and am able to convince myself that this is normal and time will fix my problem,although it provides me with little solace.its amazing,i am usually pretty outgoing but feel somewhat reclusive and anti social as of late.the self confidence literally gets flushed down the toilet and sometimes you have to slap yourself in the face and be remined that this is the cost of AAS and only a temporary situation.the icing on the cake is without doubt,the comments about looking much thinner as well as the sudden decrease in strength.its funny how people equate strength with size;i know the minute i lose strength i automatically feel smaller.the best thing to do is keep lifing but with weight that is within reason. i am naturally pretty strong so i can easily do 225 on the incline for 12 reps naturally.i'm 5-8 and 170lbs.doing the weight is'nt the bad part,its waking up the next day with aches and pains;another side effect of steroid withdrawl.one last note,i posted about a month ago how i was angered by my wife;s reluctance to engage in sex every five minutes. well,all i have to say is thank god she does'nt have a high sex drive because i would be in trouble. i could care less about sex at the moment but when i'm on,i'm out of control.moral to the stroty: i have no choice but to deal with withdrawl.

you guys may think i'm crazy. but its worked for me twice.i've been taking test for years and i'm off now for 4 weeks , functioning and fuckin without viagra.done propionate and intermitant hcg the last month before this.my docter done this to me before and i tried it this time and it shocked my system back to fuctioning.he gave me a steriod shot{ glococortiosone}and the methel predisone pack and it shocked me back.i read of the insert for the pack that the pills may help with a unresponsive endocrine system.

[toc67guru]

anyone any opinions on what mobiedick said above.