Post Cycle Losses! AGAIN

[British Bulldog]

Yes, its happened again, 6 weeks after my last cycle I have started to drop strength. This time I made sure to carry out PCT by the book (see below) and consumed surplus calories & protein to a point that I was adding body fat (4000 kcal + 270g protein). I am 6,3”, 26 years of age, & 225lbs with very little activity level.

My past AAS history includes periods of heavy prolonged use with very little recovery time or use of a proper PCT protocol.

Weeks 1-8: 1000mg Testosterone Enanthate per week

Weeks 11-12: Day 1- 6: 500 IU HCG ED + 20mg Nolvadex ED
Days 8-13: 500 IU HCG ED + 20mg Nolvadex ED

Weeks 13- 15: Days 1-7: 100mg Clomid ED + 3 Clenbuterol ED
Days 8-21: 50mg Clomid ED + 3 Clenbuterol ED


1 week after Clomid I felt really strong, had a super charged sex drive, high ejaculate volume, morning wood, and actually made strength gains in the gym. I was at my peak. It felt as if my testosterone levels were peaking. Suddenly, another week after this peak, my libido started to decline, I no longer got any morning wood and my strength started dropping. Also after this cycle I have started to easily accumulate fat, which is something that’s never happened to me before independent of my diet. My strength is now dropping at a fast pace.

- I know that this is most likely due to a low testosterone level, but why did my strength peak at around week 5-6, and then drop from thereafter.

- Should I continue Clomid or maybe do another HCG/Clomid course?

- I will get my testosterone levels checked through a clinic. Is there a possibility of restoring them by repeating PCT or should a specialist be involved?

[killiob]

You will never keep the strength that you have when you are on a cycle. YOu will always be stronger when you are on then when you are off, that is just somehting that is going to happen no matter how much PCT you do. Just like you will most likely lose some of the gains you got during your cycle. Your test levels will drop naturally back to what it is normally, if you do a good PCT, so there is no possible way to be as strong when you are on then when you are off, same with the weight gains, you will not gain as much mass as you would if you were on AAS. You should keep some of the strength gains and some of the mass but never all of it, just not possible. I would get your test levels checked just to make sure you haven't gone below normal. I would wait and see if they go back up in a month or so.

thanks
killiob

[British Bulldog]

Originally Posted by killiob

You will never keep the strength that you have when you are on a cycle. YOu will always be stronger when you are on then when you are off, that is just somehting that is going to happen no matter how much PCT you do. Just like you will most likely lose some of the gains you got during your cycle. Your test levels will drop naturally back to what it is normally, if you do a good PCT, so there is no possible way to be as strong when you are on then when you are off, same with the weight gains, you will not gain as much mass as you would if you were on AAS. You should keep some of the strength gains and some of the mass but never all of it, just not possible. I would get your test levels checked just to make sure you haven't gone below normal. I would wait and see if they go back up in a month or so.

thanks
killiob

Yes, I am aware of that BUT the trouble is I loose ALL the gains and end up to my pre-AAS strength level from 3 years ago, i.e. the bench press will slowly drop to 110kg from 140kg. The proccess happens within a couple of months.

My natural bodyweight is around 213lbs so theoretically I should be able to hold at least 220lbs at 28% BF.

[Massive690]

Originally Posted by British Bulldog

Yes, I am aware of that BUT the trouble is I loose ALL the gains and end up to my pre-AAS strength level from 3 years ago, i.e. the bench press will slowly drop to 110kg from 140kg. The proccess happens within a couple of months.

My natural bodyweight is around 213lbs so theoretically I should be able to hold at least 220lbs at 28% BF.

hmmmm, somethin aint right there bro. why not get on some otc shit to help until your natural test levels are normal. try cell-tech and get your test levels checked to make sure you are normal

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Massive690

hmmmm, somethin aint right there bro. why not get on some otc shit to help until your natural test levels are normal. try cell-tech and get your test levels checked to make sure you are normal

ya know, i really wouldn't know from personal experience, but from what i've read on this board in the passed, your PCT isn't as it should be. i don't remember if it's 2 or 3 weeks after last test injection or what, but you inject the last shot, wait 2 or 3 weeks, someone else will have to come in and say for sure how long it is, then start your clomid, OR nolva for recovery.. no sense in going from 20mg of nolva the first week then followed by a stange setup of clomid. I believe what they were recommending when i was paying attention to this forum was 2 weeks after last test shot, start day 1 of clomid at 300mg, then 100mg for a week, then 50mg for a week. or maybe that's wrong, once again i wouldn't know from personal experience and have'nt had a reason yet to keep this information in my head properly. now if you want to go with nolva i believe the norm was 80mg, 2 weeks after last test injection, for 3 weeks straight. I don't know if the 80mg dose of nolva was recommonended only if it was IP's, or for any nolva. hopefully someone of more wisdom in this area will come into this thread and clear up this matter. I think we also need to hear about your diet. I have a friend who is constantly going from 170 natural, juicing to 190, then dropping down to 170. believe it or not, he did this, EIGHT cycles in a row. the same thing happens repetatively. what's he think the answer is? start the next cycle! if the schmuck would listen when i tell him his training style is ass along with his diet, he would make more gains than he does how he goes about it. 100% relying on the juices is what he does. alright good luck!

[kenneth]

oh, as far as HCG, i think the last thing i remember is that it's recommended to be taken throughout your cycle rather than at the end where you have it, i could be wrong again, we'll see. but if i'm right that's probably the biggest problem, if i remember correctly it was discovered to have someone of a counter-productive effect taking it when you're taking it. but once again lets hear from more wisdom of the board.

[kenneth]

by the way, i'd post this in the anabolic forum if i were you, tons more people will see it, you'll probably have some good responses within 30 minutes

[buck]

Doesn't sound much like a HRT question to me.

[British Bulldog]

Its not HRT related but I am sure people like SWALE must have helped abusers like me to get natural test levels back as oppose to putting them on HRT. My intention was not to do a 15 month cycle, but everytime I came off, Id loose gains & then end up going back on. This time I want to corect the problem before ever going on AAS again. This is where I need help.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by British Bulldog

Its not HRT related but I am sure people like SWALE must have helped abusers like me to get natural test levels back as oppose to putting them on HRT. My intention was not to do a 15 month cycle, but everytime I came off, Id loose gains & then end up going back on. This time I want to corect the problem before ever going on AAS again. This is where I need help.

i still think your PCT seems like it needs help. if you put this in the anabolic forum, a # of smart experienced users will respond.

[British Bulldog]

Done Mate!

[atomicone]

Your protein intake is too low IMO, but something isn't right if you've never kept any of your gains and have been continuously training and eating right. Considering your past cycles at 1000mg of Test and the fact that your only 26 makes me wonder if your Test is shut down (meaning you're either over juicing or have a legit medical problem). I'd go off everything for 2-3 months and have my T levels checked.

[atomicone]

The word abuse fits very well. From what you've said I feel you've been over juicing. It could take 6 months (AAS free) for your T levels to come back.

Originally Posted by British Bulldog

Its not HRT related but I am sure people like SWALE must have helped abusers like me to get natural test levels back as oppose to putting them on HRT. My intention was not to do a 15 month cycle, but everytime I came off, Id loose gains & then end up going back on. This time I want to corect the problem before ever going on AAS again. This is where I need help.