Post Cycle Losses! AGAIN

[British Bulldog]

Yes, its happened again, 6 weeks after my last cycle I have started to drop strength. This time I made sure to carry out PCT by the book (see below) and consumed surplus calories & protein to a point that I was adding body fat (4000 kcal + 270g protein). I am 6,3”, 26 years of age, & 225lbs with very little activity level.

My past AAS history includes periods of heavy prolonged use with very little recovery time or use of a proper PCT protocol.

Weeks 1-8: 1000mg Testosterone Enanthate per week

Weeks 11-12: Day 1- 6: 500 IU HCG ED + 20mg Nolvadex ED
Days 8-13: 500 IU HCG ED + 20mg Nolvadex ED

Weeks 13- 15: Days 1-7: 100mg Clomid ED + 3 Clenbuterol ED
Days 8-21: 50mg Clomid ED + 3 Clenbuterol ED


1 week after Clomid I felt really strong, had a super charged sex drive, high ejaculate volume, morning wood, and actually made strength gains in the gym. I was at my peak. It felt as if my testosterone levels were peaking. Suddenly, another week after this peak, my libido started to decline, I no longer got any morning wood and my strength started dropping. Also after this cycle I have started to easily accumulate fat, which is something that’s never happened to me before independent of my diet. My strength is now dropping at a fast pace.

- I know that this is most likely due to a low testosterone level, but why did my strength peak at around week 5-6, and then drop from thereafter.

- Should I continue Clomid or maybe do another HCG/Clomid course?

- I will get my testosterone levels checked through a clinic. Is there a possibility of restoring them by repeating PCT or should a specialist be involved?

[macattack]

Up your carbs, i know,,,, its going to make you fat but otherwise your going to lose alot of strength and muscle. you can work off the added fat on the next cycle.


Have you dropped the clen ? that shit taps your resources.

You can continue nolva i wouldn't run clomid OR HCG anymore.

Your always going to lose some strength after a cycle you can't expect to keep the sort of strength you have while on, but you should not lose more then 10-15 pounds on max lifts thats my experience you ought to be stronger then you were before the cycle though.

1,000mg of test thats boarderline over the edge, so your going to go thru some fluctuation just dont let it get you down, you need to keep a positive outlook this is a mental game and if you start worrying about how your losing your going to lose,,,,, stay positive and don't let up now on anything.

[crowbar43]

Bulldog,

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what are you doing during weeks 9 and 10? I see nothing listed.

I think it would be wise to think about seeing a specialist. I was immediately struck by "My past AAS history includes periods of HEAVY PROLONGED (emphasis mine) use with very little recovery time or use of a proper PCT protocol".

I don't mean to alarm you, but its quite possible that you may have permanently compromised your hormonal system. However, only a doctor will be able to determine this for certain.

Crowbar

[British Bulldog]

Originally Posted by crowbar43

Bulldog,

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what are you doing during weeks 9 and 10? I see nothing listed.

I think it would be wise to think about seeing a specialist. I was immediately struck by "My past AAS history includes periods of HEAVY PROLONGED (emphasis mine) use with very little recovery time or use of a proper PCT protocol".

I don't mean to alarm you, but its quite possible that you may have permanently compromised your hormonal system. However, only a doctor will be able to determine this for certain.

Crowbar

Im hoping its not permenent. I did have very high test levels (by feeling) 2 weeks after Clomid intake ended. My lifts were increasing & I felt strong. This shows that at least the testicles are making testosterone. Therefore it seems that the pituatary just does not want to re-start. This si something I need to address myself.

[MaxRep]

There will usually be a period where your strength is down and muscle is lost, even with the best pct. It's not realistic to expect your body to perform naturally the way it did with a large amount of exogenous Test and then later with hcg (which artificially causes the body to pump out large amounts of endogenous test) and clomid.

The pct program you followed is generally fine but everyone has to experiment with themselves, trial and error, what actually works best.

Personally, 500iu hcg/day for me does nothing. You should probably use a higher dose next time. For me, 1,000iu/day for 2 weeks is what it takes plus a month of clomid afterwards. Some people may need only 3 weeks of clomid while others may need 6 weeks of clomid.

Chalk this up to a learning experience and change it up next time. Believe me, after 25 years of doing this, I've had lots of "errors", in all my trial and error situations.

For now, I would suggest you go back on a light dose of nolvadex (20mg/day) to keep your estrogen blocked, reducing some of the effects you're feeling now, and give your nuts time to start producing at full production again. You wouldn't want to use something like arimidex as your body will try to get your test/estrogen ratio back in line, and can only do that with a full amount of circulating estrogen.

Good luck,
MaxRep

[British Bulldog]

Originally Posted by MaxRep

There will usually be a period where your strength is down and muscle is lost, even with the best pct. It's not realistic to expect your body to perform naturally the way it did with a large amount of exogenous Test and then later with hcg (which artificially causes the body to pump out large amounts of endogenous test) and clomid.

The pct program you followed is generally fine but everyone has to experiment with themselves, trial and error, what actually works best.

Personally, 500iu hcg/day for me does nothing. You should probably use a higher dose next time. For me, 1,000iu/day for 2 weeks is what it takes plus a month of clomid afterwards. Some people may need only 3 weeks of clomid while others may need 6 weeks of clomid.

Chalk this up to a learning experience and change it up next time. Believe me, after 25 years of doing this, I've had lots of "errors", in all my trial and error situations.

For now, I would suggest you go back on a light dose of nolvadex (20mg/day) to keep your estrogen blocked, reducing some of the effects you're feeling now, and give your nuts time to start producing at full production again. You wouldn't want to use something like arimidex as your body will try to get your test/estrogen ratio back in line, and can only do that with a full amount of circulating estrogen.

Good luck,
MaxRep

Thanks mate!

It does seem like a full-on post-cycle crash I have had after my other cycles where I came off without PCT. I shall wait and see what happens.

Does the fact that my test levels were peaking shortly after Clomid intake suggest that things are not all that messed up and that a longer Clomid/nolvadex therapy should set things right?