primo & dbol to maintain androgen level?

[Vægten]

What do you guys think of this first cycle:

1-10 300mg primo E6D
4-10 10mg dbol ed

the dbol was just to keep androgen level when the primo kicks in.. Is this a totally fucked idea??

[PreMier]

Originally Posted by Vægten

What do you guys think of this first cycle:

1-10 300mg primo E6D
4-10 10mg dbol ed

the dbol was just to keep androgen level when the primo kicks in.. Is this a totally fucked idea??

Looks like one of the worst cycle ideas I have ever seen...!!!

1-10 Test E 500mg ( 250mg 2x a week)
14 days after last shot begin PCT.

[Vægten]

Why? Is it because i have choosed primo? Or is it the dbol idea?

[jasthace]

looks like ok weak cycle but 10mg of dbol is'nt much at least 15mg daily.unless you are a girl,

[Vægten]

Originally Posted by jasthace

looks like ok weak cycle but 10mg of dbol is'nt much at least 15mg daily.unless you are a girl,

I have heard about beginners who have gained 5-8 pretty lean kg (Around 12-17pounds) with a primo only cycle!

[dvs33]

Test should form the base of all your cycles bro.The one PreMier described above is a perfect 1st up run.Do a lil research to understand why test should be your foundation compound

[Bigkarch]

Im confused bro....is that your cycle??

[Vægten]

Originally Posted by dvs33

Test should form the base of all your cycles bro.The one PreMier described above is a perfect 1st up run.Do a lil research to understand why test should be your foundation compound

I know you guys think test is the only way to go.. In denmark where i´m from, primo basicly is the only way to go for a newbie! So who should i believe?

But apart from the lack of androgens with a primo only cycle (thats why i have dbol) i dont see why test should be the base of all my cycles? Can you explain?

[dvs33]

You are introducing outside sources of hormones into your body which will cause your body to shut down its natural production.You need the test there to keep a balance.You dont want to run the number one androgen for a reason and thats fine but you still need it there to keep the balance or you open yourself up to other sides like no libido etc etc.When people want to run deca as there main hormone choice they should always run a low level of test as well or they open them selfs up to impotency etc etc are you following?
Some guys can run dball only cycles and have none of the sides that we are all warned about just as some can run primo only as well but from reading the boards for the past 3 years these guys are a minority.Its up to you to find out yourself if you are part of the majority or minority bro.Is it worth the risk?

[dvs33]

Also injecting is prefured over orals (dbal)

[Vægten]

The reason why i dont want the number one androgen is that i guess im prone to gyno! But will 2,5mg femera along with test keep the estrogen as low as with a primo cycle?

And would the femera effect the lipido, gains etc.?

[dvs33]

Im running Femara every third day @ 1ml on my test E cycle bro.Im not holding water so have no estro related probs like gyno.Il be going to get my lipids checked in the next couple of weeks as letrozole can have a negative effect on cholestrol , but I think and hope il be ok at that dose.It can also effect libido(at higher doses) but shit Im only running 375mgs of test a week in one shot and iv never felt this horny in all my life lol plus my strength is going up every workout.got a coulpe of pimples on my chest but other than that all the effects have been good imo.

[Vægten]

Sounds good bro! But is your letrozole liquid? how many mg are you running?

[Deacon]

primo and d-bol to kepp the androgen level? ya its a totally fucked idea

[bg65]

The dbol would have any of the possible sides that test would have, gyno etc.. although at such a low dose it probably would not be a problem. The primo should have such a minimal effect on your hormone levels anyway, you might not need to worry about the androgen levels. I know guys who run primo as a bridge between cycles (I think bridges are unwise, but whatever) and they do PCT while running the primo and they do re-elevate their endogenous test production. Primo is super mild, I would be surprised if you gained 8kg on a primo only cycle, but whatever you do gain you should easily keep. An alternative to taking test would be to add 25-50mg/day of proviron to your cycle. this would easily compensate for the lack of androgens and you would not need to worry about any problems with gyno, or the cholesterol altering affects of femara. Just realize that any cycle is going to have sides. You can pick the sides you are willing to tolerate and build your cycle accordingly. I know a guy that is ok with libido issues, but is terrified of losing his hair, so he avoids test and other compounds that can cause hair loss. Others would rather lose their hair than their libido. Up to you to decide. I think the whole "test with every cycle" thing is overrated. I have done cycles with and without test and I haven't noticed a big difference in how my libido reacted. ONe of the worst times I ever experienced in getting it up was on a 500mg/wk test E, 400mg/wk EQ and .5mg femara ed. cycle. I have done other cycles without test and I have not had issues. I wonder if any of the advocates of "test with every cycle" have ever ran a cycle without it? Just prepare accordingly, hopefully you can tell your gf or wife and keep some cialis handy. Don't get me wrong, I love test, but I would argue against it being a necessity for every cycle. Also, I think that 500mg test/wk is too high for a beginner's cycle.