Primobolan/dbol stack advice

[PUMP2356]

Hey guys,

I'm about to start my first cycle ever and was going to run test at 500mg with a dbol kick start.However; I was curious to know if anybody has any experience running the classic primobolan/dbol stack that Arnold used and how would I go about using it . Is this a cycle one could gain 15 pounds and keep permanently after the cycle is complete ?

Would this cycle produce less side effects?

How long and how much would the dianabol be used for and the primobolan?

pct needed? hcg needed?nolvadex or proviron needed throughout cycle?

The reason I am asking this is since my original plan was to run test enth/dbol, but I know a lot of the weight gain will be from water and when I come off I may only have about 10-15 pounds that will stick with me that may be muscle. So I was thinking, would running dianabol/primobolon produce less weight gain throughout the cycle but give constant growing muscle mass with the same results in the end after pct but with less side effects such as acne, hair loss, sweeting, quicker recovery time, and more quality muscle?

If anybody can give me any input on this stack, it would be greatly appreciated!

Also, below is the original plan I was going with and background info on me:


Some background info on myself:
23 year old male. I have been lifting for 4 years (with the most time off would be a week a year) and train 3 times a week with a trainer. I started at a weight of about 105 and am at 161-165 at a height of 5'5. My body fat is about 16.5 though I haven't measured in a while. This will be my first cycle and am looking to put on about 20 pounds that I can keep after the cycle is over with if possible.

The cycle:
weeks 1-4 25 mg of Dianabol everyday

weeks1-10 500 mg of test. Enanthate, 250mg shot on mon and another 250mg shot on thursday each week doing this (during the end of my 9th week I begin HCG everyother day after my last 250mg shot of test enth.on the 9th week for 500ius every other day and bump up nolvadex to 20 mg everyday and get rid of the proviron)

weeks11 HCG every other day at 500ius and nolvadex at 20mg everday
week 12 wait 3 days from my last HCG injection then begin PCT of nolvadex at 20mg every day
week 13 20mg nolvadex everyday
week14 20mg of nolvadex everyday
week 15 20 mg of nolvadex everyday
week 16 10 mg of nolvadex everyday
week 17 5 mg of nolvadex everyday



Anti-Estrogens,HCG, and Post Cycle Therapy
Proviron 25 mg and Nolvadex at 10 mg throughout cycle but alternating each day between the two( example: tuesday proviron 25mg, wed nolvadex 10 mg, thursday proviron 25mg, etc.) I stop proviron on the begining of my 10th week and bump of the nolvadex for 20mg for weeks 11-15.For Pct I will be running nolvadex everyday for 6 weeks starting the 12th week. HCG i begin right after my second shot of test enth. on the 9th week, I begin HCG at 500 ius every other day which will take me into weeks 10 and 11 still on HCG. then after my last dose of HCG i wait three days and then begin my 6 week nolvadex pct

Should side effects be under control with this cycle with the precautions I am making with the nolvadex and proviron? Also, are any supplements needed when using Dianabol for this dosage because of the toxicity?

I have a question about MPB...my dad is somewhat bald in the back on his head ,but on my mom's side, all the males except my uncle(i think caused hes stressed) died with a full head of hair in their 80's. So I'm not sure if I am going to go bald ,I think i've have some recession on the sides after looking at some pics when I was 18(I'm 23 now), so im not sure if im going to go bald or not. Is proscar something that really works well and if so how much should I take a day and for how long during my cycle?


Also, is it an obtainable goal for me to get over 200 pounds with three bulking cycles?

[PUMP2356]

Anyone have any ideas?

[terrorizer2]

A primo/dbol cycle will work but it would be fairly expensive as primo is not cheap.Also you need to make sure it's legit.Schering primo are nearly always fake.Better off getting BD or CLP.You would need a fairly high dose as well,around 600mg a week.You could run it for 10 weeks at that dose with 4 to 6 weeks dbol at the start at 30mg a day.

Yes you would need to run a standard PCT as well,although i think you could get away without HCG really.

I would run Proviron at 25mg a day during the dbol weeks to keep water down.

Weight gain is down to your diet mate,it's not something you can predict although Primo is one of the only steroids that does work on a not so perfect diet.

Can you get to 200lbs?,thats down to you mate.Perfect your diet and it may be possible in three cycles but it depends of what the cycles consist of.Three primo/dbol cycles?,i would say no.Three test cycles?,maybe.

The test cycle is the better option for results but the primo/dbol option is okay if you have a thick wallet.


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[ForemanRules]

A primo/dbol cycle is one of the worst cycles a man can do, esp for a first cycle. You really need to do a test only cycle first, 8-10 weeks at 400-500mg a week.

PCT I would run Nolvadex at 40/40/40/20

[Président]

Originally Posted by terrorizer2

A primo/dbol cycle will work but it would be fairly expensive as primo is not cheap.Also you need to make sure it's legit.Schering primo are nearly always fake.Better off getting BD or CLP.You would need a fairly high dose as well,around 600mg a week.You could run it for 10 weeks at that dose with 4 to 6 weeks dbol at the start at 30mg a day.

Yes you would need to run a standard PCT as well,although i think you could get away without HCG really.

I would run Proviron at 25mg a day during the dbol weeks to keep water down.

Weight gain is down to your diet mate,it's not something you can predict although Primo is one of the only steroids that does work on a not so perfect diet.

Can you get to 200lbs?,thats down to you mate.Perfect your diet and it may be possible in three cycles but it depends of what the cycles consist of.Three primo/dbol cycles?,i would say no.Three test cycles?,maybe.

The test cycle is the better option for results but the primo/dbol option is okay if you have a thick wallet.


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[Président]

Originally Posted by ForemanRules

A primo/dbol cycle is one of the worst cycles a man can do, esp for a first cycle. You really need to do a test only cycle first, 8-10 weeks at 400-500mg a week.

PCT I would run Nolvadex at 40/40/40/20

Explain to us why test is better than primo?

[ForemanRules]

Originally Posted by Président

Explain to us why test is better than primo?

#1 your body naturally produces Test not pimo, so why replace your test with an inferior product

#2 Test is about 10x less expensive than primo

#3 You only need about 1/3 as much test to equal Primo gains

#4 Primo is for women, are you one?

#5 Fancy drugs and exciting cycles on parer always look amazing to a newbie but are a joke to experienced vets.

#6 If you like to be able to get an erection I suggest you have test as a bace for all your cycles.