Primodial Performance

[lou123]

Claiming Nolva and Clomid are very dangerous. Let me guess I should use their new product for PCT. What a joke


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by lou123

Claiming Nolva and Clomid are very dangerous. Let me guess I should use their new product for PCT. What a joke


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...-protocols.htm

Max rep used it and there is a sticky right UP THERE. DIdn't read it though.

[HDH]

I can't wait to see how this thread turns out

HDH

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by lou123

Claiming Nolva and Clomid are very dangerous. Let me guess I should use their new product for PCT. What a joke

Don't bother me with the facts... my mind is already made up...

Best regards,
MaxRep

[jsupstarz]

So what is it that makes up your mind

[lou123]

This may get me banned but for all I know MAx rep works for Primoperformance.

Anyone who would risk not restarting their HPTA by skipping out on Tamox and/or Clomid is foolish.

Why mess with what works ? 6 weeks of tamoxifen isn't screwing up peoples livers for life, sorry.

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by lou123

This may get me banned but for all I know MAx rep works for Primoperformance.
Anyone who would risk not restarting their HPTA by skipping out on Tamox and/or Clomid is foolish.
Why mess with what works ? 6 weeks of tamoxifen isn't screwing up peoples livers for life, sorry.

Wow... your reasoning and logic is beyond compare... Apparently, according to your logic of "why mess with what works"... we should all be doing the exact same things, via the same protocols the bodybuilders of the 1970's used. After all, look at their physiques... whatever they were doing obviously worked... let's just keep doing it and not try to improve anything...

IF you would have had the decency to do just a little reading before pronouncing your judgements... and making your asinine accusations... you would find that I've done a hormone test first, during the middle, and now most recently at the end of trying dermacrine and dermacrine sustain... to objectively determine their effectiveness.

When is the last time you had a hormone test done before using nolvadex, during the middle of your nolvadex usage, and at the end of your nolvadex useage to determine your hormone levels and the effectiveness of the specific protocol you used? My guess is you have NEVER done 3 hormone tests during one pct.

With a little reading you would have seen that I advised Primordial Performance before trying their product, that I would do the tests and report anything good or bad, both subjectively during the useage and objectively with testing, before, during and after.

For you to then turn around, as idiotically as they come, and blast the product and state that I may be working for the company, is something only a truly ignorant asshole would do.

Wake up, get your head out of your ass and smell the coffee you dumb shit. How in the world do you think all these various protocols were developed in the first place? Yes, people had to do something new, and test new products and develop new protocols... on themselves. That' s how your precious nolvadex/clomid protocol was developed... or are you so stupid that you think scientists did that for us bodybuilders?

MaxRep

[lou123]

Yes I see your sticky but what I don't understand is how you can reccomend it as PCT when you haven't even finished using the drug. The real test for PCT is 6-8 weeks after discontinuing the drug. Unless I'm reading wrong you are still using the Primo product and have no idea what your T and LH levels will be 6-8 weeks (and longer) after discontiunuation.

Also your hormone test shows T which is great but what about LH levels ? How do you know they aren't super low and the Primo product isn't keeping your T levels up only to crash when discontinuing the drug ?

You said you would report before, during and after. Unless I'm wrong there is no "after" so you have no idea how this will actually work at restoring your HPTA.

[MaxRep]

As my thread above says, the third test has been done and the results are pending. The third test was taken 10 weeks after my cycle ended.

My results at this point, both subjective and objective, indicate the dermacrine/dermacrine-sustain are POTENTIALLY good alternatives to more traditional PCT protocols.

Lou, you bring up a good point about a 4th test taken a few months after the pct protocol has ended, although in my specific case that won't be possible. I do encourage other testers of this product to have a test done several months after discontinuing the Dermacrine to determine their natural hormone levels at that time.

In my case, the reason I can't do a 4th test is I'm training for a contest toward the end of the year. I'll be going on a AAS cycle at the end of this month.

For now, this Dermacrine product is simply being tested. The entire purpose is to determine if there's a better PCT protocol. Some people use HCG and a SERM, others just use a SERM, some use clomid, others use nolvadex and others use toremifene. In the future, Dermacrine may become a product some people routinely use.

Personally, I could care less what people use. I know I want to use whatever works the BEST, for ME. For decades, I have believed in trying new ways and haven't minded testing things on myself... In large part, this is how I've come to know what works best for me. I can then pass on what I've learned through experience, and others can learn from them or improve on them.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[jsupstarz]

I hope it's working well max, ive heard good things