prog gyno

[omegadog]

what does everyone use as the best to prevent this gyno in a cycle that includes a nandrolone-derived steroid such as tren ace...would u use dostinex or would that be more of an actual treatment...and also would you consider b6 to prevent this instead of the dostinex?

[HDH]

Originally Posted by omegadog

what does everyone use as the best to prevent this gyno in a cycle that includes a nandrolone-derived steroid such as tren ace...would u use dostinex or would that be more of an actual treatment...and also would you consider b6 to prevent this instead of the dostinex?

You can use the dostinex but it is pretty expensive. I just keep a bottle of Letro around for gyno problems. It will just take your estrogen levels down low enough to stop the progesterone sides. Never heard anything about B6 for this, anybody else?

HDH

[jsupstarz]

LETRO, or nolva for this. Pref LETRO for prevention. And haven't heard about that about b6, I heard flax oil w/linigans helps prevent it. But i don't think it's very powerful.

[novicebb]

I have heard something about vitamin B-6 and progresterone but not sure. I know that you can find out more about on bodybuilding.com.

I would consider "Mesterolone"(proviron). This has specific effects on progesterone as well as some effects on lowering estrogen levels. This is your best bet for combating progesterone derived AAS such as Nandrolone and Trenbolone from having progesterone effects on the body. If you can find a good enough source you will be able to find liquid oral Mesterolone at a good price.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

LETRO, or nolva for this. Pref LETRO for prevention. And haven't heard about that about b6, I heard flax oil w/linigans helps prevent it. But i don't think it's very powerful.

Nolva won't work for this. An AI blocks the production of estrogen and progesterone needs estrogen. Where nolva blocks the effects of estrogen. Which in turn allows the progesterone sides to continue.

HDH

[HDH]

Originally Posted by novicebb

I have heard something about vitamin B-6 and progresterone but not sure. I know that you can find out more about on bodybuilding.com.

I would consider "Mesterolone"(proviron). This has specific effects on progesterone as well as some effects on lowering estrogen levels. This is your best bet for combating progesterone derived AAS such as Nandrolone and Trenbolone from having progesterone effects on the body. If you can find a good enough source you will be able to find liquid oral Mesterolone at a good price.

I didn't think about the Proviron.

Parlodel (bromocriptine mesylate) is also an anti-prolactin along with Dostinex.

HDH

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by HDH

Nolva won't work for this. An AI blocks the production of estrogen and progesterone needs estrogen. Where nolva blocks the effects of estrogen. Which in turn allows the progesterone sides to continue.

HDH

Letro for prevention, and nolva if you get gyno.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

Letro for prevention, and nolva if you get gyno.

The thread is about progesterone related gyno, not estrogen related gyno

I prefer Letro if I get gyno.

HDH

[jsupstarz]

ah ha, reading 2 fast through i guess. Yeah nolva and letro both work well for me

[aminus]

Originally Posted by HDH

I didn't think about the Proviron.

Parlodel (bromocriptine mesylate) is also an anti-prolactin along with Dostinex.

HDH

I agree.. I think bromo is the way to go

And btw... very nice avatar jsup

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by HDH

I didn't think about the Proviron.

Parlodel (bromocriptine mesylate) is also an anti-prolactin along with Dostinex.

HDH

Well HDH it's ok that you didn't think about proviron because that stuff will do nothing to prevent progesterone induced gyno... absolutely worthless in that regard.

The only way it may be remotely beneficial is by slightly reducing estrogen and thereby providing a benefit however, this is not a good way to attempt to reduce progesterone induced gyno simply because the effect is so minimal and doesn't reduce progesterone levels that the gyno is unaffected.

Cabergoline has been shown in published studies to be more effective at reducing progesterone levels than bromocriptine.

B6 will do zero. Nobody I know of who's used B6 by itself reported any improvement and several years back it was widely touted and people used it to no benefit. Interestingly enough when I researched it I found published studies going back 25 years that confirmed B6 does NOT reduce progesterone levels.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[omegadog]

hmm...ive heard of people using b6 saying that it actually lowers the prolactin levels developed...tried looking for some validity behind this and couldnt find anything...

might try the b6 with some caber on hand just in case...can never be too safe..plus i wouldnt mind some of the glorified side effects

[omegadog]

[quote=MaxRep]

B6 will do zero. Nobody I know of who's used B6 by itself reported any improvement and several years back it was widely touted and people used it to no benefit. Interestingly enough when I researched it I found published studies going back 25 years that confirmed B6 does NOT reduce progesterone level

b6 has never been used by anybody in the situation (or actually worked if they did try) to reduce prog gyno....it has been used as more of a safety measure against it something to use to help prevent it from what i understand...but like i said there was no "facts" that i could find behind this just what ive heard from personal experience

[JohnTree]

Originally Posted by HDH

The thread is about progesterone related gyno, not estrogen related gyno

I prefer Letro if I get gyno.

HDH

I am confused about the progesterone related gyno vs. estrogen related gyno. I have had pretty sore nips for the last 2 days. I'm using deca and test and anavar I took .62 mg letro yesterday for the gyno and also the fact that I'm holding a lot of water (gained 2 lbs. the last day alone and 24 lbs in 3 weeks.

Now I'm researching and seeing it may be progesterone related gyno or estrogen related gyno?

Is letro the wrong product because of the deca? Is it the right product because of the test? What to do?

[HDH]

Originally Posted by JohnTree

I am confused about the progesterone related gyno vs. estrogen related gyno. I have had pretty sore nips for the last 2 days. I'm using deca and test and anavar I took .62 mg letro yesterday for the gyno and also the fact that I'm holding a lot of water (gained 2 lbs. the last day alone and 24 lbs in 3 weeks.

Now I'm researching and seeing it may be progesterone related gyno or estrogen related gyno?

Is letro the wrong product because of the deca? Is it the right product because of the test? What to do?

Keep using the Letro. It blocks the estrogen and estrogen is needed to support progesterone.

HDH

[beezil]

your body still needs some estrogen to function properly... just nuking the estrogen isn't the proper way to deal with it. Add the Cabaser to lower the progesterone. IMHO

[HDH]

Originally Posted by beezil

your body still needs some estrogen to function properly... just nuking the estrogen isn't the proper way to deal with it. Add the Cabaser to lower the progesterone. IMHO

If he's got it now, he has to do what is necessary to get rid of it. He doesn't want to wait for Dostinex because it will get worse. I don't even think progesterone is the case here on 300mg of deca EW or I would have told him to up the letro to 2.5mg ED and order the dostinex. This is only the third week.

HDH

[JohnTree]

Thank you gentlemen, I appreciate your input. Heres' a little more info to clarify. My first 2 weeks I frontloaded with 600 mg deca, and the 3rd week 400mg deca and now am at 300mg week deca for rest of cycle. From the start and here on out it's been 400 mg wk test . I've also 210mg week anavar. I'm near the end of my 3rd week. I had a blood test before I started but have not had one since. So I don't know my blood levels or if it is progesterone related gyno vs. estrogen. Any suggestions with the additional info?

If the letro is working how soon should I expect the nip soreness to go away?

[MaxRep]

Originally Posted by omegadog

hmm...ive heard of people using b6 saying that it actually lowers the prolactin levels developed...tried looking for some validity behind this and couldnt find anything...

might try the b6 with some caber on hand just in case...can never be too safe..plus i wouldnt mind some of the glorified side effects

Now you're confusing progestagenic gyno with prolactin induced gyno. Our conversation up to this point has been regarding progesterone and gyno, not prolactin.

However, since you bring up prolactin... there are multiple studies showing B6 does nothing to reduce prolactin levels. The only study showing any sort of reduction in prolatin with b6 is when b6 was injected intraveinously.

JT, your nipple soreness with Letrozole should be greatly reduced after about one week.

Best regards,
MaxRep

[beezil]

Originally Posted by HDH

If he's got it now, he has to do what is necessary to get rid of it. He doesn't want to wait for Dostinex because it will get worse. I don't even think progesterone is the case here on 300mg of deca EW or I would have told him to up the letro to 2.5mg ED and order the dostinex. This is only the third week.

HDH

HDH: You are right; in regards to dealing with the gyno at hand.

I was just stating that bro's need to manage their estorgen; not totally eliminate it.

I have read so many people, on many boards telling bros to take nolva and letro throughout their cycle with out even knowing if they are gyno susceptible.

[omegadog]

ill take ur word for it on the b6 issue ..ill be running a test (prop/test e) along with tren...taking armidex throughout and i have dostinex at hand also (most likely taking this 2x/wk also)...would you consider this to be sufficient in regards to preventing any gyno from occuring ?