Proper PCT

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

I haven't done any juice for over 3 months now. I took HCG for a total of 3 weeks and used the PCT program reccomended in anabolics 2005. I took both nolvadex and clomid and am currently still taking both. I must say that this has been the fastest I have ever recovered and I feel great. I didn't lose any real weight, my balls are plump, and my sex drive is back on track. I think taking nolvadex and clomid together for PCT makes all the difference. I've done pct with just hcg and clomid and with just hcg and nolvadex but I have never done so well. I say, from experience, that the best PCT includes all 3: HCG, Clomid, and nolvadex. I will never do pct any less again. Thanks.

My pct looked like this:
Waited for all half-lifes to clear
5000iu HCG day 1, 2500iu day 5, 2500iu day 10, 2500iu day 15, 2500iu day 20, 1250iu day 25.

200mg clomid on day 1, 100miligrams for the next two weeks and 50mg a day still on

40mg/day nolvadex for week 1, 20mg a day for weeks 2-4, 10mgs a day still on

I also must say that I believe I paid like less than $70 for all the supplies needed. It was definitly worth it.

[hedztrong!]

HI gear! Congratulations on ur PCT? May i know what was your cycle? Is it also applicable to somebody only using test E 500mg/week for 10 weeks? Thanks!

[andysutils]

Originally Posted by GeaR_and_SauCe

I haven't done any juice for over 3 months now. I took HCG for a total of 3 weeks and used the PCT program reccomended in anabolics 2005. I took both nolvadex and clomid and am currently still taking both. I must say that this has been the fastest I have ever recovered and I feel great. I didn't lose any real weight, my balls are plump, and my sex drive is back on track. I think taking nolvadex and clomid together for PCT makes all the difference. I've done pct with just hcg and clomid and with just hcg and nolvadex but I have never done so well. I say, from experience, that the best PCT includes all 3: HCG, Clomid, and nolvadex. I will never do pct any less again. Thanks.

My pct looked like this:
Waited for all half-lifes to clear
5000iu HCG day 1, 2500iu day 5, 2500iu day 10, 2500iu day 15, 2500iu day 20, 1250iu day 25.

200mg clomid on day 1, 100miligrams for the next two weeks and 50mg a day still on

40mg/day nolvadex for week 1, 20mg a day for weeks 2-4, 10mgs a day still on

I also must say that I believe I paid like less than $70 for all the supplies needed. It was definitly worth it.

OMFg lol holy shit, your avatr, the garbage pail kids, wow which one is it? russel muscle or brett sweat LMAO.

[role model]

Originally Posted by GeaR_and_SauCe

I haven't done any juice for over 3 months now. I took HCG for a total of 3 weeks and used the PCT program reccomended in anabolics 2005. I took both nolvadex and clomid and am currently still taking both. I must say that this has been the fastest I have ever recovered and I feel great. I didn't lose any real weight, my balls are plump, and my sex drive is back on track. I think taking nolvadex and clomid together for PCT makes all the difference. I've done pct with just hcg and clomid and with just hcg and nolvadex but I have never done so well. I say, from experience, that the best PCT includes all 3: HCG, Clomid, and nolvadex. I will never do pct any less again. Thanks.

My pct looked like this:
Waited for all half-lifes to clear
5000iu HCG day 1, 2500iu day 5, 2500iu day 10, 2500iu day 15, 2500iu day 20, 1250iu day 25.

200mg clomid on day 1, 100miligrams for the next two weeks and 50mg a day still on

40mg/day nolvadex for week 1, 20mg a day for weeks 2-4, 10mgs a day still on

I also must say that I believe I paid like less than $70 for all the supplies needed. It was definitly worth it.

I'm glad you posted this, you just answered one of my questions about a good/successful pct.

[andysutils]

brill post dude, i love stuff like this that everyone can make use of.

[advanced-stealth]

Good feedback on your PCT! That is awesome it is working out well for you.

Congrats bro.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by GeaR_and_SauCe

I haven't done any juice for over 3 months now. I took HCG for a total of 3 weeks and used the PCT program reccomended in anabolics 2005. I took both nolvadex and clomid and am currently still taking both. I must say that this has been the fastest I have ever recovered and I feel great. I didn't lose any real weight, my balls are plump, and my sex drive is back on track. I think taking nolvadex and clomid together for PCT makes all the difference. I've done pct with just hcg and clomid and with just hcg and nolvadex but I have never done so well. I say, from experience, that the best PCT includes all 3: HCG, Clomid, and nolvadex. I will never do pct any less again. Thanks.

My pct looked like this:
Waited for all half-lifes to clear
5000iu HCG day 1, 2500iu day 5, 2500iu day 10, 2500iu day 15, 2500iu day 20, 1250iu day 25.

200mg clomid on day 1, 100miligrams for the next two weeks and 50mg a day still on

40mg/day nolvadex for week 1, 20mg a day for weeks 2-4, 10mgs a day still on

I also must say that I believe I paid like less than $70 for all the supplies needed. It was definitly worth it.

OK..I am a little foggy on exactly what days you took the hcg on ????Did you take any hcg during cycle or during time you waited on esthers to clear.Did you take hcg the same time you took clomid/nolva?????

[jmills]

Thanks for the post...your PCT looks very much like the one I'm planning on....so it's nice to see it working for you. The one thing I'm kind of unsure of is this: Since I have been running HCG throughout my cycle (1st time I've done this) I'm curious how to administer the HCG post cycle.


So, like Dennis I'm curious if you ran HCG thru your cycle or just at the end?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by jmills

Thanks for the post...your PCT looks very much like the one I'm planning on....so it's nice to see it working for you. The one thing I'm kind of unsure of is this: Since I have been running HCG throughout my cycle (1st time I've done this) I'm curious how to administer the HCG post cycle.


So, like Dennis I'm curious if you ran HCG thru your cycle or just at the end?

Yes..and i never take hcg after i have started nolva/clomid......

[Lizard King]

jmills and dennis - how are you taking the HCG during your cycle? Is it 500iu per week after the 3rd week or do you do something different? I have never done it during a cycle but plan on running tren my next cycle and get bad atrophy which I would like to avoid. Thanks

[TheBeat]

Why would you wait for all of the AAS to clear before starting HCG when HCG is going to be suppressive in itself? Glad it worked for you, but the HCG should be started earlier for everyone else as it is in a sense extending the cycle, or at least the suppression. I always recommend taking HCG during the cycle or if for 3 weeks, the 3 weeks while the exogenous test is tapering off before TRUE PCT can start.

Thanks for sharing some real world experience and how it worked for you.

[jmills]

thebeat...in the past I've always started HCG immediately within a few days of the last shot...and I have used aromasin at this time to start taking care of the excess estrogen caused by hcg and other things.
lizard king...I started taking hcg at week 4 at 1250 iu per week (5000 iu devided by 4)...then switched to twice weekly shots with 1/2 that amount (still 5000 iu per month cus that's the way it was packaged). dennis convinced me it would be better to take less at each pin, and I deferred to his greater knowledge. this is the first time using HCG during cycle and its worked out great so far...I anticipate a smoother pct, but just the psychologicol boost of not having shrinkage has been worth it to me so far.

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by jmills

thebeat...in the past I've always started HCG immediately within a few days of the last shot...and I have used aromasin at this time to start taking care of the excess estrogen caused by hcg and other things.
lizard king...I started taking hcg at week 4 at 1250 iu per week (5000 iu devided by 4)...then switched to twice weekly shots with 1/2 that amount (still 5000 iu per month cus that's the way it was packaged). dennis convinced me it would be better to take less at each pin, and I deferred to his greater knowledge. this is the first time using HCG during cycle and its worked out great so far...I anticipate a smoother pct, but just the psychologicol boost of not having shrinkage has been worth it to me so far.

I personally run 400iu twice a week during and add more days if I notice my nuts are wanting to hiberate. No need to ever run it PCT if you run it during - during and/or PRE-PCT is the way to do it.

Make sure that you run it to the end, but make sure to stop before you are trying to regain endogenous testosterone production as HCG is going to be suppressive to that actual goal:
If running a 10 week long-estered cycle, I would run the Hcg through week 12 and start your true pct at week 13.

[TheBeat]

I must ad that I guess running HCG after exogenous levels wane would be somewhat of a taper while endogenous levels start to raise, I'm not against tapering by any means, so while it would slow endogenous recovery, it might allow for a smoother transition just as a proper taper would?
Maybe the Hcg should be ran in with the PCT as Gear suggests? I'm still a proponent of maintaining size/function during a cycle and of using smaller doses than the standard PCT would dictate: by running it during and into the pct, one could still use small doses and still get the taper/raised testosterone level effects. So a 10 week cycle (with a 6 week pct), one might run HCG at under 1000iu/week/divided into week 15 or so with pct at weeks 13-18 so that pct is ran 3 weeks past the hcg and the hcg is ran past the exogenous testosterone. This seems like it might be the ideal way, especially with longer/more suppressive cycles: maintaining size/function during as well as using it as a bit of a taper to support libido and mantenance while endogenous level raise?

[Inja]

I love it when an old post suddenly makes its way back as a new thread...