question about my first cycle

[repira01]

I'm almost 23 years old. I'm a competitive bodybuilder. I was curious about my first cycle. I'm not concerned with frequent injections. I can get test e for $120 or test p for $50. I was wondering if i could get away with the test prop? Here's my cycle 500mg's test prop a week for 12 weeks, and kickstart it with 4 weeks of dbol at 20mg's a day spread out evenly. Here are my stats
Contest/Offseason
weight-161/200
bf-4-5ish/13.5
height-5'9
Lifting stats
Bench-305lbs
Squat-420lbs
Deadlift-505lbs

[bigrobbie]

Originally Posted by repira01

I'm almost 23 years old. I'm a competitive bodybuilder. I was curious about my first cycle. I'm not concerned with frequent injections. I can get test e for $120 or test p for $50. I was wondering if i could get away with the test prop? Here's my cycle 500mg's test prop a week for 12 weeks, and kickstart it with 4 weeks of dbol at 20mg's a day spread out evenly. Here are my stats
Contest/Offseason
weight-161/200
bf-4-5ish/13.5
height-5'9
Lifting stats
Bench-305lbs
Squat-420lbs
Deadlift-505lbs

1-4 d-bol 20-30mg/e.d.
3-4 test prop 300mg/wk (divided pins)
1-10 test e 500mg/wk (divided pins)
11-12 test prop 400mg/wk (divided pins)

I like to begin and end with faster acting gear, but thats just me...

What is your PCT plan?

[peanutbutter]

man if you will do show..get some winstrol..50mg a day for last 6 weeks...also trenbolone is great..
HGH rule if you have $

[repira01]

my source said with the dosing i'm using that pct isn't really necessary. he told me it's a good idea to have it on hand tho. i was gonna get a few boxes of clomid and get some nova in case gyno starts showing up

[peanutbutter]

go get hcg!

[Big_paul]

Originally Posted by bigrobbie

1-4 d-bol 20-30mg/e.d.
3-4 test prop 300mg/wk (divided pins)
1-10 test e 500mg/wk (divided pins)
11-12 test prop 400mg/wk (divided pins)

I like to begin and end with faster acting gear, but thats just me...

What is your PCT plan?

good advice. using short acting esters allows you to start pct shortly after your cycle ends.

[bigrobbie]

Originally Posted by repira01

my source said with the dosing i'm using that pct isn't really necessary. he told me it's a good idea to have it on hand tho. i was gonna get a few boxes of clomid and get some nova in case gyno starts showing up

ALWAYS work PCT...P.B. is correct, get hCG for post cycle. No offence, but your source is a

dumb ass for telling you that. He may not need PCT, I know some people that don't, but I'm

telling you, PCT is a must for 99.9% of people.

[repira01]

What would you guys think would be a good pct? From what I've seen you want to ween yourself off the pct drugs. I've seen clomid start at 300mg a day and work your way down to 50mg over the course of 3 weeks.

[BBC3]

FYI regarding the PCT. Wait two weeks after the end of you last cycle week prior to starting the Nolva or Clomid, given you go with test C or E the entire cycle as discussed. You will have plenty of testosterone in your system to carry you that time. You also need to let it metabolize out for those two weeks so that there is not too much still in your system, hence hedering the recovery. You may also choose to continue the HCG at 500ius twice a week for the first "dead week" post cycle. That runs you out to 6 total additional weeks total additional after your last full on cycle week. I may have confused the total weeks in out earlier discussion. The total I advised should have been:
12 weeks on cycle
then 2 weeks dead with possible HCG in week 13.
then 4 weeks clomid or Nolva as discussed.
Finally dont forget to give two additional weeks post PCT for things to completely "normalize", if all went well.

NOTE: If you do elect to go with Prop for last two weeks of cycle, I would still recommend giving one dead week prior to PCT.... You dont want to risk having too much AAS still in your system when you hace completed the PCT as it will shut you back down and create a mess of doubt.

[Grappler76]

Originally Posted by BBC3

FYI regarding the PCT. Wait two weeks after the end of you last cycle week prior to starting the Nolva or Clomid, given you go with test C or E the entire cycle as discussed.

Otherwise 4-5 days after last prop shot should he decide to go with the cycle br suggested?

Also, dont you think a 23 year old would do just fine with just clomid for PCT after a test/test+win cycle?

Test pluss win is a good cycle repira.