Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on Round 1: EQ, Test E, HCG, Nolva. within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; I'm a little on the fence, I can afford to lose 15-20lbs of fat. I want to be on cycle ...
I'm a little on the fence, I can afford to lose 15-20lbs of fat. I want to be on cycle already...antsy antsy antsy. I'm losing motivation and I want to gain some mass and strength. Not sure if I should do this....or just Test and keep dieting.
EQ 400mg, 14wks
TestE 500mg, 12wks (two weeks after I start EQ)
HCG 500iu, 12wks (start w/ Test E)
Nolvadex, wk15 40mg/day, wk17 30mg/day, wk19 20mg/day, wk21 10mg/day. (each dose, two weeks)
__________________ They say it's lonely at the top, in whatever you do
You always gotta watch motherfuckers around you
Nobody's invincible, no plan is foolproof
We all must meet our moment of truth
Sorry, this is what I plan to take.. Currently natural, and dieting.
__________________ They say it's lonely at the top, in whatever you do
You always gotta watch motherfuckers around you
Nobody's invincible, no plan is foolproof
We all must meet our moment of truth
What's going to happen is you're going to put on more unwanted weight when you start the cycle. I would at least try and loose 10 more lbs but it is up to you. If you need the steroids to be motivated, what are you going to do when you come off of the cycle?
When you do decide to run the cycle, start the EQ and the test at the same time but front-load the EQ for the first 2 weeks at 800mg per week.
I'm having a hard time understanding how being fat would make it easier to gain unwanted weight? If I diet clean and keep my calories 20% above maintenance with mostly protein and oats/sweet potatoes...
Lets speculate, if I put on 30lbs with this cycle, how much of it would be fat? Opposed to if I was 185lbs now (30lbs lighter than I am now), and did the same cycle and put on 30lbs?
In my head it works out like this, I'll gain 30lbs on cycle. 10lbs will be fat. If am 20-30lbs over weight to begin with I will be more so but also with more muscle mass.
I can drop the fat easily, can I keep the muscle though?
The motivation thing is I'm losing weight because I want to get bigger. My goal is to be 200-220 but lean. I'm at that weight now but 'skinny fat'. I want to fill in my shoulders and lats and arms.. I'm a big puny punk.
HDH, you always make me think.
__________________ They say it's lonely at the top, in whatever you do
You always gotta watch motherfuckers around you
Nobody's invincible, no plan is foolproof
We all must meet our moment of truth
I'm having a hard time understanding how being fat would make it easier to gain unwanted weight? If I diet clean and keep my calories 20% above maintenance with mostly protein and oats/sweet potatoes... It's not about being fat it's how easily you can put weight on. I know because I'm the same way. If you truly knew how to diet you wouldn't be overweight now (been there). It's not as easy as you might think just starting off trying to gain muscle mass.
Lets speculate, if I put on 30lbs with this cycle, how much of it would be fat? Opposed to if I was 185lbs now (30lbs lighter than I am now), and did the same cycle and put on 30lbs? That all depends on your diet, that is not something that anyone can answer for you.
In my head it works out like this, I'll gain 30lbs on cycle. 10lbs will be fat. If am 20-30lbs over weight to begin with I will be more so but also with more muscle mass. You will also be 30 to 40lbs over weight instead of 20 to 30.
I can drop the fat easily, can I keep the muscle though? It depends on your diet.
The motivation thing is I'm losing weight because I want to get bigger. My goal is to be 200-220 but lean. I'm at that weight now but 'skinny fat'. I want to fill in my shoulders and lats and arms.. I'm a big puny punk. Can't really help you there bro. Only you can motivate yourself.
HDH, you always make me think.
We are all grown ups here if you want to start the cycle the choice is yours. In terms of being healthy and truly in shape the weight should come off first. You have to consider your blood pressure, cholesterol, being able to breathe between sets, etc.........
I started my first cycle overweight and wished that I wouldn't have. I don't always do what I'm suppose to either.
Just remember, diet is everything (gaining or losing).
Just remember, diet is everything (gaining or losing).
HDH
I'll second that! Assuming a person basically knows how to properly train, diet is hugely important to your results. The anabolics just enhance your training and diet.
Also, agree with HDH on starting the test/Eq at the same time. Makes zero sense to stagger the start dates. I like frontloads (as recommended on the EQ, you could also do it for the test ) a lot, if you're not using any orals.
Best regards,
MaxRep
__________________ Yes, the photo next to my name is a picture of me. Everything I write is fiction for entertainment purposes. Nothing I write should be construed to be medical advice or anything other than fantasy role playing. Nothing I write should be acted upon. I do not encourage or condone the exchange, purchase or administration of any illegal substance. Anything I write which may appear to contradict this is understood to be written as fiction for entertainment purposes only.
We are all grown ups here if you want to start the cycle the choice is yours. In terms of being healthy and truly in shape the weight should come off first. You have to consider your blood pressure, cholesterol, being able to breathe between sets, etc.........
I started my first cycle overweight and wished that I wouldn't have. I don't always do what I'm suppose to either.
Just remember, diet is everything (gaining or losing).
HDH
Well for what it's worth my blood pressure is actually slightly low even when ive been doing strenuous activity. Wife is a cardiac technician, she checks me regularly. I plan to visit the doctor soon because I have a couple of issues I want to talk to him about... I want him to check for everything, I haven't been to the doc in a while. My cholesterol should be fine, never had a problem nor a history. I'll be looking into it also.
What difficulties did you face starting your cycle while over weight? Or what was the main factor in you regretting it?
Appreciate it, btw, would you recomend something different if I'm am going to be doing this over weight? I know the EQ opens up your appetite, but something like Tren seems a bit strong though I'm sure I'll love it when I feel ready to do it. I was actually planning to gain mass while on this cycle... Figuring I'd lose weight easier if I put on 20lbs of lbm..
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxRep
I'll second that! Assuming a person basically knows how to properly train, diet is hugely important to your results. The anabolics just enhance your training and diet.
Also, agree with HDH on starting the test/Eq at the same time. Makes zero sense to stagger the start dates. I like frontloads (as recommended on the EQ, you could also do it for the test ) a lot, if you're not using any orals.
Best regards,
MaxRep
I think I understand diet and training well, better than some folks I know who've been doing it a lot longer... Heh.. just not much to show for what I know.
So run the Test and EQ 14 weeks and front load both, EQ 800mg/wk and Test E 1000mg/wk for the first 2 weeks, then continue my 12 week cycle?
__________________ They say it's lonely at the top, in whatever you do
You always gotta watch motherfuckers around you
Nobody's invincible, no plan is foolproof
We all must meet our moment of truth
I would suggest a cycle of 100mg Test Prop e0d for first 3 weeks and then switch to Test Enanthate in week four. EQ for the entire 12 weeks. HCG started in week 4 as well to end of cycle instead of at the begininng
__________________
Wow finally got to 2000+ post in almost 6 years.
Round 1: EQ, Test E, HCG, Nolva. 
Linear Mode
