Seeking advice on planned Cycle after long Hiatus

[zeraphinn]

Seeking advice/feedback from vets on this planned cycle.
Here is my history: After a long 6 year hiatus I started seriously working out again this year. 6 yrs ago when I did my first cycle, I was 30 YO; 5'6 and very skinny at 125 lbs. in 16 weeks I went up to a very toned 150 lbs on
AD50/ Deca/ Sust 250 Combo.

Basked in my new found attention and slowly but surely started slacking on Gym. Last 3 years I've been inconsistent with working out.
Poor diet. Lost muscle gained fat. etc..
Dec 2008 167 lbs 16% body fat.

Last 4 months have been working out hard.
6 days a week. (3 strength / 3 cardio.)
Balanced high protein Diet.
Supplementing Hydroxadrine, L-Caritine & Colleus Forskolii.
Lost fat gained muscle.
Today: 5'6 157 lbs between 12% -13% body fat.

My goal this time around is some size with good definition.
Keep 10 to 15 lbs well defined after cycle.
The 300 Spartan definition with maybe just a little more size.

The tools at my disposal:
Deca 400mg 10 ml . Sust 250mg 10 ml. Winni 50 mg 20 ml.
PCT:
120 tabs Proviron 25mg, 120 tabs Nolva 20 mg, HCG 10,000 IU.
And 20 Arimidex 1mg tabs on way just in case I need it.

This is my planned Cycle:

Week 1: Deca 200 /Sust 250
Week 2: Deca 200 / Sust 250
Week 3: Deca 300 /Sust 250
Week 4: Deca 400 /Sust 500
Week 5: Deca 400 / Sust 500 /Proviron 50mg ED
Week 6: Deca 300 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
Week 7: Deca 300 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
Week 8: Deca 200 / Sust 250 / Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED
Week 9: Winnie 50 EOD /Proviron 50mg ED / Nolva 100mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
Week 10: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 80mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
Week 11: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 60mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
Week 12: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 40mg ED / HCG 2500 iu
Week 13: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 40mg ED
Week 14: Proviron 25mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
Week 15: Proviron 25mg ED
Week 16: Proviron 25mg ED

Please advise or make recomendations.
I think maybe I need more sust?
I thank you for your feedback. Your input is much appreciated.

[jasthace]

Its not a lot of gear, but you can run it like that if you want to and get ok gains
There's a lot of contradictory information about Proviron vs suppression of the HPTA
I hope you have your facts right with the chioce of it in your PCT.
It might be worth getting before and after blood tests in view of hormonal recovery stats.

[mass22]

Originally Posted by zeraphinn

seeking advice/feedback from vets on this planned cycle.
Here is my history: After a long 6 year hiatus i started seriously working out again this year. 6 yrs ago when i did my first cycle, i was 30 yo; 5'6 and very skinny at 125 lbs. In 16 weeks i went up to a very toned 150 lbs on
ad50/ deca/ sust 250 combo.

Basked in my new found attention and slowly but surely started slacking on gym. Last 3 years i've been inconsistent with working out.
Poor diet. Lost muscle gained fat. Etc..
Dec 2008 167 lbs 16% body fat.

Last 4 months have been working out hard.
6 days a week. (3 strength / 3 cardio.)
balanced high protein diet.
Supplementing hydroxadrine, l-caritine & colleus forskolii.
Lost fat gained muscle.
Today: 5'6 157 lbs between 12% -13% body fat.

My goal this time around is some size with good definition.
Keep 10 to 15 lbs well defined after cycle.
The 300 spartan definition with maybe just a little more size.

The tools at my disposal:
Deca 400mg 10 ml . Sust 250mg 10 ml. Winni 50 mg 20 ml.
Pct:
120 tabs proviron 25mg, 120 tabs nolva 20 mg, hcg 10,000 iu.
And 20 arimidex 1mg tabs on way just in case i need it.

This is my planned cycle:

Week 1: Deca 200 /sust 250
week 2: Deca 200 / sust 250
week 3: Deca 300 /sust 250
week 4: Deca 400 /sust 500
week 5: Deca 400 / sust 500 /proviron 50mg ed
week 6: Deca 300 / sust 250 / winnie 50 eod /proviron 50mg ed
week 7: Deca 300 / sust 250 / winnie 50 eod /proviron 50mg ed
week 8: Deca 200 / sust 250 / winnie 50 eod /proviron 50mg ed
week 9: Winnie 50 eod /proviron 50mg ed / nolva 100mg ed / hcg 2500 iu
week 10: Proviron 25mg ed / nolva 80mg ed / hcg 2500 iu
week 11: Proviron 25mg ed / nolva 60mg ed / hcg 2500 iu
week 12: Proviron 25mg ed / nolva 40mg ed / hcg 2500 iu
week 13: Proviron 25mg ed / nolva 40mg ed
week 14: Proviron 25mg ed / nolva 20mg ed
week 15: Proviron 25mg ed
week 16: Proviron 25mg ed

please advise or make recomendations.
I think maybe i need more sust?
I thank you for your feedback. Your input is much appreciated.

you will have big problem with this!!

[BILLYGRINGO]

based on my thought that Deca400 isn't real and what i have read on proviron, also there is no real need to run that much nolvadex, 20mgs at a time should be ok

I would suggest saving up a bit more $$ and doubling everything (test and deca), get rid of the proviron.

run Nolvadex and HCG for pct

and if anything if yo do run it your way, push more of the "deca400" up front not mid cycle. your blood levels mid cycle will be very high and that is when you could have more of the negative sides.

just my .02

[bigbench]

Dont pyramid dosages. Run Deca 400/Sust 500 the entire cycle. Run these a min of 10 weeks, better run at 12. Proviron can be run up until the day before PCT. Use HCG between last injection and prior to PCT and run nolva for 4-6 weeks at 20mgs ed (no higher than 40mgs)

[dennis]

Originally Posted by bigbench

Dont pyramid dosages. Run Deca 400/Sust 500 the entire cycle. Run these a min of 10 weeks, better run at 12. Proviron can be run up until the day before PCT. Use HCG between last injection and prior to PCT and run nolva for 4-6 weeks at 20mgs ed (no higher than 40mgs)

I agree....

[zeraphinn]

Thank you all very much for your feedback and advice. I have read a lot of articles and other post and I have seen all kinds of contradictory info. But some has been consistent.

I can get more Sust. I thought 500 all the way through might be better but I was not sure. I have 10 ml of Deca 400 so I could already run 400ea week for 10 weeks.
As far as he Proviron I have read that it is great for preventing Aromitization.
It interferes with aromatase by competing with an aromatizable gear such as test for binding to the enzyme site. With dihydrotestosterone (or Proviron) interacting with this enzyme, yet producing no reaction, the enzyme is temporally prevented from altering other hormones, and an anti-estrogenic effect is achieved.
I though that combined with teh Nolva would be a great combo for AI.

But from what I read here some like Proviron and some do not.

HCG only before PCT? and/or as needed there after?

Again I thank all of you very much for your advice and appreciate the feed back.

[jasthace]

The HCG acts to initiate testicle function.Which has shut down.
It acts like LH,which is what you need the pituitary to start to secrete again, as that is shut down also.If your body thinks it has LH{in the form of HCG}it will have no need to restart production/secretion,
So run the hCG before PCT that way testis are ready to receive LH message when production kicks in.

[BBC3]

Run the testosterones at 5-600/wk. It is also noteworthy to point out that I have read that Deca requires a solid 600mgs to really achieve good muscle building effects. You will not feel the deca so to speak. It will just get you a bit "juicier". You would be best off running that for 16-20 weeks depending on your time frame. 16 weeks min especially with Deca. As far as PCT goes. Get you some HCG and just serve it up at about 200 ius every couple of days for the entire cycle. Then all you will need is to run clomid for about a month when done. That is given that you run a 20 week cycle terminating the Deca at week16 or 18. Nolva is great to control any gyno probs while on cycle, but I am thinking that you would be better off with the clomid at cycle end for restart. Finally you should go with some Arimidex during the cycle to control estrogen. Hopefully you wont have to deal with any potential progesterone issues from the Deca in that time frame, but if you truely want to be prepared then have some carbagen on hand for that..

[zeraphinn]

Thanks again guys!
I have spent hours reading material in order to get it right.
There is some room for variation but the general consensus seems to be:

High Deca at the beggining and end two weeks before Sust. (Not sure I want to use more Deca than that)
Run Sust at 500 a week.
I did not want to go more than 10 weeks on, but can go to 12 if that works better.
Concerned that if I go longer my normal HTPA will take longer to recover as well.

Use HCG and Proviron while on Cycle not PCT

Use Nolva or Clomid PCT. ( I only have Nolva though)
Can I get away with using more Nolva or is it essential I have Clomid as well?

What about Arimidex? Should I save that for PCT in case I need it?
I read it helps to hastens HTPA function after cycle b/c of A I in conjuction with Nolva.
Since the Proviron is working as an AI during cycle will it make more sense to use the Arimidex during PCT or is that overkill?