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Old 05-11-2005, 12:51 PM
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well im officially an idiot. ive been so burnt out from studying for finals lately that i just realized ive been dosing my clen way too high. i have the liquid shit dosed at 200mcg/ml, now i normally run it at 100mcg/day split between 2 doses but i just realized for the last day and a half ive been running 100mcg twice a day instead of 50mcg twice a day. i was wondering my my hands were shaking so damn bad lately, way worse than usual. how much clen is too much??? in the last 36 hours ive taken 300mcg's, havent gotten any headaches or anything but should i be worried about my heart or anything???
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well im officially an idiot. ive been so burnt out from studying for finals lately that i just realized ive been dosing my clen way too high. i have the liquid shit dosed at 200mcg/ml, now i normally run it at 100mcg/day split between 2 doses but i just realized for the last day and a half ive been running 100mcg twice a day instead of 50mcg twice a day. i was wondering my my hands were shaking so damn bad lately, way worse than usual. how much clen is too much??? in the last 36 hours ive taken 300mcg's, havent gotten any headaches or anything but should i be worried about my heart or anything???
No, I would say you shouldn't be worried at all unless you have some preexisting conditions that would be aggravated by the side effects of clen. I imagine since you've been taking clen you have no such conditions. There was a post on another forum a while back about a guy that ingested something ridiculous like 3600mcg of clen. He was screwed for a few days but he the effects eventually wore off. 300mcg is a lot but nothing that will do any permanent damage. Just be more cautious obviously.
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Actually there are some studies out there now that show low dose clen causing heart damage in animals. I have stopped using it after reading the studies.

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beta2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle.

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High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known whether this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte-specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections via a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed with annexin V, single-strand DNA labeling, and terminal deoxynucleotidyl transferase-mediated dUTP nick-end labeling). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg/kg, with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.05%; P < 0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg/kg. In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2%; P < 0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg/kg. Cardiomyocyte apoptosis was detected throughout the ventricles, atria, and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way, from the apex toward the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol, or ICI 118551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that, when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.
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1 kg is 2.2 lbs i think. UPDATE! 1 pound = 0.45359237 kilograms. I have also read that low doses have been linked to heart damage but i dont know who was funding the study or how extensive it was
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A 200lb bbr would be 200/2.2=90.9kg so that would be a dose of ~91mcg of clen. Now we all know that animal studies are not the be all end all of clinical indications for humans but they do give some insight. It is all about choice. Once everyone has the information they can make a personal decision about whether to use it or not. for me, this study along with the others is enough to make the decision not to take a chance. Others can make different choices, we do it all the time.

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