Short Cycle, Long Ester

[Ramstein II]

what do you think of a short cycle using a long ester Test, like Test Cyp. For example, if one took a 1000mg shot it would metabolize like this (approx.)

Wk 1: 1,000 mg
Wk 2: 500
Wk 3: 250
Wk 4: 125
Wk 5: 62
Wk 6: 30

That would give a person elevated levels for about 3 weeks and then it would naturally taper to normal for a week or so and then 2 weeks you'd be low. the question is would your natural T kick in quickly. Obsviously, this isn't worth it if you're shut down for 2 mos.

I am assuming that testicular atrophy would be minor if any at all. Would PCT even be required. Check out this study on male contraceptive. The researchers found the participants gained like 9lbs which they attributed to a 1,000 mg shot for the first month (it was 500 mg/mo. for 12 mos after that.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rep...etype%3Apdf%22

There's a of interesting stats in this study.

LH wasn't completely supressed until the 3rd mo. So, the idea would be to have minimal shut down and get a nice little bump of muscle. You'd have a good 3 weeks to eat like a pig and train like a beast. The only question in my mind is recovery.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Ramstein II

what do you think of a short cycle using a long ester Test, like Test Cyp. For example, if one took a 1000mg shot it would metabolize like this (approx.)

Wk 1: 1,000 mg
Wk 2: 500
Wk 3: 250
Wk 4: 125
Wk 5: 62
Wk 6: 30

That would give a person elevated levels for about 3 weeks and then it would naturally taper to normal for a week or so and then 2 weeks you'd be low. the question is would your natural T kick in quickly. Obsviously, this isn't worth it if you're shut down for 2 mos.

I am assuming that testicular atrophy would be minor if any at all. Would PCT even be required. Check out this study on male contraceptive. The researchers found the participants gained like 9lbs which they attributed to a 1,000 mg shot for the first month (it was 500 mg/mo. for 12 mos after that.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/rep...etype%3Apdf%22

There's a of interesting stats in this study.

LH wasn't completely supressed until the 3rd mo. So, the idea would be to have minimal shut down and get a nice little bump of muscle. You'd have a good 3 weeks to eat like a pig and train like a beast. The only question in my mind is recovery.

halflifes are not the same in body as they are on paper ... very different in every one of use and i believe 1g frontload will be too much and most wasted not being able to build enough muscle before it's gone .. by week 6 your still suppressed because of high enough endrogens not to mention high estrogens and you haven't got enough androgens to build any muscle so you've just wanted 6 weeks maybe more and that much Test ... Now if you started with a lower frontload maybe 2 shots per week for 2 weeks followed by short acting estered or no estered gear for the following 4 weeks that might be alot better but short cycles doesn't mean 6 weeks ... The short cycle was actually 2 weeks because of suppression at points in the chain not because of the HPTA not being suppressed for too long and now easier to recover ... There are steps the body takes which is what causes inhibititon of natural test and before 2 weeks, some steps are not complete making it much easier to recover PC so anything over 2 weeks and you mind as well go for 8 ... That's the theory anyway ..... All i know about 2 week cycles is that i put my friend on an Adrol only 2 week cycle at 50mg/day and he gained something like 14lbs ... He was very happy and the most he has ever weighed .... Stopped lifting months later and lost everything but that will happen to anyone when diet and training come to a hault .... Your afraid of recovering nat test ??? Use morning D-bol with PCT so you still have plenty of androgens in blood helping to keep sexdrive and muscle without interfiering with recovery ... orals are best for short cycles because too many injects with short acting are pain in the ass and orals can be used many times per day without worry of abcess or inject sites ...

[youngBuilder]

With my short cycle experiences, I have had great success with test prop for two weeks with an oral. I really dont think orals alone will offer much in two weeks unless you use Anadrol. I gained 7 pounds in two weeks with a simple test prop cycle 100mgs EOD and 40 mgs of Anavar. Cant beat that. I felt supressed a week after the injectios for probably like 2 days- pct was a peice of cake.

Ya EOD injects could be a pain, but when its only two weeks, you can deal with it. I strongly recomend using the prop in a 2-weeker. It kicks in so fast and you just feel awesome in the gym. You will still have minimal suppression whether you do prop/oral, or just oral alone. But with the prop added, way more gains.

Nothing puts size on like test.

[TestFreak]

short cycles call for short esters hence TEST PROP ed injects for best results