Short oral cycle

[IvanCRO]

Hello, all.

I'm thinking of doing a short (max 5 weeks) all oral cycle. I read a lot, and I know the best way to gain is to inject, but I don't want to do it before fall. Now, I'm just looking to add some muscle mass, and try to lose as little as possible after the cycle. A friend of mine did this cycle, he got 5 kg, and was really satisfied, lost only 1,5 kg afterward.

W1: 40mg D-bol+20mg nolv+silimarin(liver protection)
W2: 40mg D-bol+20mg nolv+silimarin
W3: 25mg clomid+20mg nolv
W4: 20 mg nolv

I was thinking of making a cycle with anavar and OT possibly, without D-bol, but I didn't find any examples of it on the internet. Did anyone do such a cycle or has any examples of it?

Or is this a good D-bol cycle?

I'm 187 (6 1), 89 kgs (196 lbs) and 10% BF. Looking to gain more mass. Strength is not imperative. I have my diet straight, and I take ECA stack before weight training (4 times a week), PWM and Dymatize Amino (4 in the morning with breakfast and 4 before sleep with last meal). I run 4 times a week, 2 times regular cardio, 45 mins, 2 times (days i don't go to the gym) it's a 25 min hiit.

Can I continue to use ECA with a cycle?

Thank you.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by IvanCRO

Hello, all.

I'm thinking of doing a short (max 5 weeks) all oral cycle. I read a lot, and I know the best way to gain is to inject, but I don't want to do it before fall. Now, I'm just looking to add some muscle mass, and try to lose as little as possible after the cycle. A friend of mine did this cycle, he got 5 kg, and was really satisfied, lost only 1,5 kg afterward.

W1: 40mg D-bol+20mg nolv+silimarin(liver protection)
W2: 40mg D-bol+20mg nolv+silimarin
W3: 25mg clomid+20mg nolv
W4: 20 mg nolv

I was thinking of making a cycle with anavar and OT possibly, without D-bol, but I didn't find any examples of it on the internet. Did anyone do such a cycle or has any examples of it?

Or is this a good D-bol cycle?

I'm 187 (6 1), 89 kgs (196 lbs) and 10% BF. Looking to gain more mass. Strength is not imperative. I have my diet straight, and I take ECA stack before weight training (4 times a week), PWM and Dymatize Amino (4 in the morning with breakfast and 4 before sleep with last meal). I run 4 times a week, 2 times regular cardio, 45 mins, 2 times (days i don't go to the gym) it's a 25 min hiit.

Can I continue to use ECA with a cycle?

Thank you.

I'll be brief. That cycle is a waste of time.

You're better off using dbol to kick start a 400mg 8 week cycle of Test-E and some proper PCT. Better results, minimal sides. Otherwise (on your Dbol 4wkr) you're just gonna get bloated, shut down, and disappointed. Also, if you want to gain some mass you may just want to consider more food, less ECA, and a more resistance oriented program. It shouldn't be hard to make the gains you're looking for naturally. Or even with the help of some proper OTC supplementation.

[andysutils]

ill get straight to the point and speak my mind here bro just to save you heartache and dissapointment in 5 weeks time.

what your about to do is a complete waste of money and a waste of time.
there is only one oral only cycle that youll get anything out of and it aint dbol.

first of all it will put nothing but 20lbs of water on you
secondly youll loose all of anything youve gained at the end of that cycle
thridly, 5 weeks aint worth being shutdown for.

the only way youll get any use out of dbol is to use it as a jumpstarter along with something like an 8 week cycle of TEST-E talking around 25-40mg ED of the dbol for no longer than 4 weeks, or maybe a 12 week cycle of just plain old Test, all followed with a good planned PCT of course.

dbol on its own will do the exact opposite than loose as little as possible, you will loose everything.

[Reinheart]

Both andy and lifesize are correct.Your best bet would be 500mgs of test for 12 weeks and 30mgs d-bol for the first 4 weeks of the cycle.

[IvanCRO]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

I'll be brief. That cycle is a waste of time.

You're better off using dbol to kick start a 400mg 8 week cycle of Test-E and some proper PCT. Better results, minimal sides. Otherwise (on your Dbol 4wkr) you're just gonna get bloated, shut down, and disappointed. Also, if you want to gain some mass you may just want to consider more food, less ECA, and a more resistance oriented program. It shouldn't be hard to make the gains you're looking for naturally. Or even with the help of some proper OTC supplementation.

Hm, so this cycle is a waste of time?

But the problem on the 8 week cycle, I have to inject, and I'm not ready to do it yet. Mentally, I mean. If I'm going to do a full steroid cycle (12 weeks), I'll do it in fall, of course I have to be in best shape in the summer. My long term plan is to do a full cycle in fall, build as much mass as possible until late January, or early February, and then lose fat.

Anyway, is there any good short oral cycle similar to the one my friend did, or are they all a waste of time? I'm not looking for miracles, but if I'm going to lose everything I get, I'd rather stay natural until summer...

[IvanCRO]

Originally Posted by Reinheart

Both andy and lifesize are correct.Your best bet would be 500mgs of test for 12 weeks and 30mgs d-bol for the first 4 weeks of the cycle.

Thanks for the comments, I just added a response.

I think it shows clearly what I want to do. Short oral cycle. But if I'm not gonna keep anything, I'm not going to do it. No needles or long cycles until fall, lol.

[Reinheart]

The best oral cycle you can do is t-bol with anavar. 40mgs each compound, run for 6-8 weeks. Absolutely no more. I have done an andriol and anavar 8 weeker which gave me good results but i wish i hadn't done it at all and have waited to grow a little older and do the basic test/d-bol cycle. Anyways...

[dennis]

Originally Posted by IvanCRO

Hm, so this cycle is a waste of time?

But the problem on the 8 week cycle, I have to inject, and I'm not ready to do it yet. Mentally, I mean. If I'm going to do a full steroid cycle (12 weeks), I'll do it in fall, of course I have to be in best shape in the summer. My long term plan is to do a full cycle in fall, build as much mass as possible until late January, or early February, and then lose fat.

Anyway, is there any good short oral cycle similar to the one my friend did, or are they all a waste of time? I'm not looking for miracles, but if I'm going to lose everything I get, I'd rather stay natural until summer...

Let me get this right..mentally you are not ready to inject in the spring..but mentally you will be in the fall ...????

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by IvanCRO

Hm, so this cycle is a waste of time?

But the problem on the 8 week cycle, I have to inject, and I'm not ready to do it yet. Mentally, I mean. If I'm going to do a full steroid cycle (12 weeks), I'll do it in fall, of course I have to be in best shape in the summer. My long term plan is to do a full cycle in fall, build as much mass as possible until late January, or early February, and then lose fat.

Anyway, is there any good short oral cycle similar to the one my friend did, or are they all a waste of time? I'm not looking for miracles, but if I'm going to lose everything I get, I'd rather stay natural until summer...

There are a few oral cycle options, I can't help you as I think they are all a waste. Some may have their places, but IMHO they aren't REALLY needed.

Some people have a fear of needles, your fear of not getting the results you want, wasting your time, and putting your organs at risk on an oral cycle should out weigh that fear of injecting yourself. You need to be ready physically, not mentally. Like anything else there is a learning curve and first time anxiety. Best of luck.

[Reinheart]

Originally Posted by dennis

Let me get this right..mentally you are not ready to inject in the spring..but mentally you will be in the fall ...????

Makes sense.