Short term solutions?

[Plated]

Hi, first time poster on these boards. I'll be as brief as I can be:

I've been planning a first cycle for some time now. I've been lifting for just over a year. I'm sitting at around 175 lbs and I'm finding it really hard to put any more size on. I've done a fair amount of reading on the subject so far.

I'm aware of the general advice given to noobs planning their first cycle. I know the timescales and the gear ussualy suggested. I was planning on going down one of these routes, of course, but realities have got in the way.

Here's my problem. I'm a roughneck working on offshore rigs. I'm not worried about being tested but I am subject to bag checks whenever I go offshore. Any 'meds' have to be given to the doc and he distributes them, so obviously getting anything onto the rig with me isn't possible.

So I'm working with pretty short timescales here. I'm normally 21-28 days on the rig and get 4-6 weeks at home. However, I do have a 9 week break due soon and this is when I hoped to do something. 9 weeks, as far as I'm aware, is still too short to fit in a normal first cycle and post cycle so I'm still stuck.

I've been looking around for suggestions and solutions to my dilemma i.e. some sort of short term cycle that I know will obviously be less effective but should still help me make some small gains. I know that tested athletes work in short cycles for obvious reasons but they also keep their methods quiet for obvious reasons.

I'm happy to do the grind of researching this myself but could anybody provide me with some keywords that I can use to hunt down some info? No need for sources - just a nudge in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Plated

Hi, first time poster on these boards. I'll be as brief as I can be:

I've been planning a first cycle for some time now. I've been lifting for just over a year. I'm sitting at around 175 lbs and I'm finding it really hard to put any more size on. I've done a fair amount of reading on the subject so far.

I'm aware of the general advice given to noobs planning their first cycle. I know the timescales and the gear ussualy suggested. I was planning on going down one of these routes, of course, but realities have got in the way.

Here's my problem. I'm a roughneck working on offshore rigs. I'm not worried about being tested but I am subject to bag checks whenever I go offshore. Any 'meds' have to be given to the doc and he distributes them, so obviously getting anything onto the rig with me isn't possible.

So I'm working with pretty short timescales here. I'm normally 21-28 days on the rig and get 4-6 weeks at home. However, I do have a 9 week break due soon and this is when I hoped to do something. 9 weeks, as far as I'm aware, is still too short to fit in a normal first cycle and post cycle so I'm still stuck.

I've been looking around for suggestions and solutions to my dilemma i.e. some sort of short term cycle that I know will obviously be less effective but should still help me make some small gains. I know that tested athletes work in short cycles for obvious reasons but they also keep their methods quiet for obvious reasons.

I'm happy to do the grind of researching this myself but could anybody provide me with some keywords that I can use to hunt down some info? No need for sources - just a nudge in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks

scroll down and read my 10lb journey......

[Plated]

I'm 5"8 and 175 lbs and I started LIFTING in March last year at 155 lbs. I'd been involved in competitive sport until then.

My diet is good but nothings perfect, right? Again, I work on offshore rigs and I have a 12kg limit on what I can take out with me. My food choices are relatively limited but they're clean sources and I can eat as much as I like(edit). I can't exactly take the stuff with me - just getting my supps out can be problematic.

So are you referring to another thread entitled 'My 10lb journey' or can you be any more constructive?

[musle mafia]

My 10lb journey...

[Plated]

Originally Posted by musle mafia

My 10lb journey...

Wow. Have I just had the misfortune to bump into the two greatest wits in the community or are there any more who suffered oxygen starvation at birth?

My questions were pretty clear. If I wanted dietary advice I wouldn't be in a steroid forum, would I?

Putting aside the most important reasons I'm looking at this, my line of work makes it impossible for me to follow a conventional diet and training program and achieve the results I'm looking for. Your links to another post, however inspiring it might be, are therefore a big ^&*&%^$ waste of time.

In any case, I don't care what your opinion is on whether or not I should be doing a cycle. I have my reasons for wanting to do one and I won't be changing my mind because of some smartasses who don't know a thing about my background posting utterly useless replies. I haven't mentioned my background because it's frankly irrelevant. I didn't ask anyone for advice on whether I should do a cycle. I asked for info on short cycles. If you don't have any then kindly stop trolling the thread.

[BILLYGRINGO]

Originally Posted by Plated

Wow. Have I just had the misfortune to bump into the two greatest wits in the community or are there any more who suffered oxygen starvation at birth?

My questions were pretty clear. If I wanted dietary advice I wouldn't be in a steroid forum, would I?

Putting aside the most important reasons I'm looking at this, my line of work makes it impossible for me to follow a conventional diet and training program and achieve the results I'm looking for. Your links to another post, however inspiring it might be, are therefore a big ^&*&%^$ waste of time.

In any case, I don't care what your opinion is on whether or not I should be doing a cycle. I have my reasons for wanting to do one and I won't be changing my mind because of some smartasses who don't know a thing about my background posting utterly useless replies. I haven't mentioned my background because it's frankly irrelevant. I didn't ask anyone for advice on whether I should do a cycle. I asked for info on short cycles. If you don't have any then kindly stop trolling the thread.

Bro, they are just being protective..... of you and your health, and pointing out there really is no need to try and do a "short stack" cycle

how ever if you really wanna bang something out for 4-6 weeks then PCT whilst your at work. Try runnig like 500-750 mgs of sustanon every week for 6 weeks have some novladex on hand if you start feeling sore nipples eat like crazy and train like a freak, get plenty of rest and protein.

you can probably get your PCT on the platform because you could ........ oh wait they bag check you forgot that hmmmmmmm..... maybe you could get liquid novladex / clomid from an online retailer and try to smuggle it on by disguising is as something else ??

i dont know bro that is a tough one, you def wanna do recovery because you'll lose just about all your gains and you run the risk of becoming very depressed and other associated risks as well

so don't know what to tell ya, maybe read my 10 lb journey lol

be safe

[Plated]

I'll try again...

For the record:

I am not looking for advice on diet or training.

I am looking for advice on short cycles, i.e. of a duration less than 9 weeks that either has minimal sides or will also include post cycle.

I came here because the forums of my old community got shut down. This looked like a good alternative.

No, I am not 18. I am 29.

No, I didn't become interested in athletics or dietetics when I started lifting, and when I said I started lifting last year I didn't mean I picked up a dumbell for the first time. I traded one discipline for another due to a long term injury.

No, I don't feel the need to write a lengthy essay on my background or the reasons why I am looking at this. If I was asking for advice on whether or not I should go down this route, then I might be inclined to do so. I'm not looking for that kind of advice so I won't. I'm looking for very specific information.

In summary, if you have any advice on short term cycles (purely in a theoretical sense of course) or you can suggest some search terms then I would be very grateful. If you don't have any advice on that specific subject then thanks nonetheless. I'm sorry that the tone of my first thread here now appears so negative. Note to self: do not feed the trolls, they only become bigger and stronger.

[Plated]

Originally Posted by BILLYGRINGO

Bro, they are just being protective..... of you and your health, and pointing out there really is no need to try and do a "short stack" cycle

how ever if you really wanna bang something out for 4-6 weeks then PCT whilst your at work. Try runnig like 500-750 mgs of sustanon every week for 6 weeks have some novladex on hand if you start feeling sore nipples eat like crazy and train like a freak, get plenty of rest and protein.

you can probably get your PCT on the platform because you could ........ oh wait they bag check you forgot that hmmmmmmm..... maybe you could get liquid novladex / clomid from an online retailer and try to smuggle it on by disguising is as something else ??

i dont know bro that is a tough one, you def wanna do recovery because you'll lose just about all your gains and you run the risk of becoming very depressed and other associated risks as well

so don't know what to tell ya, maybe read my 10 lb journey lol

be safe

Advice very much appreciated! Yeah, I kind of regretted that reply pretty soon after. I get what they are trying to do. I just didn't appreciate the humour I guess :P I'm not a noob to training or the principles of adding mass. I've just never tried to add so much before until I started this last year.

I would know exactly where to start if I didn't have to consider the work thing and could just do a normal cycle.

I guess I should have been more specific. I was wondering if it was ok to run sustanol for shorter periods for example and you've answered my question. It would be pretty easy for me to smuggle in anything I suppose, but pins would be a problem. The clomid would be easy enough so I could do post there no problem I guess. I was also wondering about orals but people tell me bad things about them.

I've also been trying to find out more info on some of these designer products that have been in the news lately with these sprinters avoiding detection. I know they were running like 4-6 week cycles but I can't find much else.

Thanks anyway, I'll look into that a bit more then. If anyone has anything to add please do so.

[RockHard]

Originally Posted by Plated

I'll try again...

For the record:

I am not looking for advice on diet or training.

I am looking for advice on short cycles, i.e. of a duration less than 9 weeks that either has minimal sides or will also include post cycle.

I came here because the forums of my old community got shut down. This looked like a good alternative.

No, I am not 18. I am 29.

No, I didn't become interested in athletics or dietetics when I started lifting, and when I said I started lifting last year I didn't mean I picked up a dumbell for the first time. I traded one discipline for another due to a long term injury.

No, I don't feel the need to write a lengthy essay on my background or the reasons why I am looking at this. If I was asking for advice on whether or not I should go down this route, then I might be inclined to do so. I'm not looking for that kind of advice so I won't. I'm looking for very specific information.

In summary, if you have any advice on short term cycles (purely in a theoretical sense of course) or you can suggest some search terms then I would be very grateful. If you don't have any advice on that specific subject then thanks nonetheless. I'm sorry that the tone of my first thread here now appears so negative. Note to self: do not feed the trolls, they only become bigger and stronger.

I would run a high dose of prop for six-seven weeks then take two-three weeks for pct. Nolvadex and Aromasin for two or three weeks should work. I doesn't seem like it should take to long to get your own test back on line from such a short cycle
The only reason I say prop is because it gets out of your system in 2-3 days so you could start your PCT sooner, with sust you'll be waiting atleast 2 weeks after your last injection before you can start PCT. I liked that guys idea, you could run your cycle nine weeks, buy the liquid form of nolva and aromasin then put them in a different container and smuggle them on as some kind of fruit juice. Or you could always put it where the sun don't shine and take it on board!
Good luck.
And for the record, I have about 6 buddies that I have been working out with for the last 3 years. They range from -22 to 32 years old and they all run their cycles without PCT and seem to do fine. I always do PCT, they always tell me it's not necissary, it's "Old School" but like I said they seem to retain the same amount of their gains as I do whenever we run the same cycle and I run PCT and they don't. Something that someone in your situation might want to look into.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Plated

Wow. Have I just had the misfortune to bump into the two greatest wits in the community or are there any more who suffered oxygen starvation at birth?

My questions were pretty clear. If I wanted dietary advice I wouldn't be in a steroid forum, would I?

Putting aside the most important reasons I'm looking at this, my line of work makes it impossible for me to follow a conventional diet and training program and achieve the results I'm looking for. Your links to another post, however inspiring it might be, are therefore a big ^&*&%^$ waste of time.

In any case, I don't care what your opinion is on whether or not I should be doing a cycle. I have my reasons for wanting to do one and I won't be changing my mind because of some smartasses who don't know a thing about my background posting utterly useless replies. I haven't mentioned my background because it's frankly irrelevant. I didn't ask anyone for advice on whether I should do a cycle. I asked for info on short cycles. If you don't have any then kindly stop trolling the thread.

Short term delusion?

man people come on here they don't bother to notice that the last 300 pages of threads have been touched by pretty much the same people. This site, as big as it is, has a pretty small internal community. I get really cranked up when people's 3rd post is disrespectful and demanding. Homeboy we all started somewhere, it aint my fault, or dennis or mm's that the options you've made in life don't allow you to follow a full cycle. (There is nothing wrong with an 8 week cycle, but pct is going to run a bit longer).

You can go fuck yourself, everyone else should let this fuck nut catch a clue and a swim class.

/Stopped reading on post 3 of this thread.
//It's my bridge you cup cake.

[musle mafia]

Originally Posted by Plated

Wow. Have I just had the misfortune to bump into the two greatest wits in the community or are there any more who suffered oxygen starvation at birth?

My questions were pretty clear. If I wanted dietary advice I wouldn't be in a steroid forum, would I?

Putting aside the most important reasons I'm looking at this, my line of work makes it impossible for me to follow a conventional diet and training program and achieve the results I'm looking for. Your links to another post, however inspiring it might be, are therefore a big ^&*&%^$ waste of time.

In any case, I don't care what your opinion is on whether or not I should be doing a cycle. I have my reasons for wanting to do one and I won't be changing my mind because of some smartasses who don't know a thing about my background posting utterly useless replies. I haven't mentioned my background because it's frankly irrelevant. I didn't ask anyone for advice on whether I should do a cycle. I asked for info on short cycles. If you don't have any then kindly stop trolling the thread.

Boy if you ever saw me face to face and talked to me like that I'd rip off your nuts and shove them down your little 175lbs throat. You disrespectful little prick. My fucking quad is bigger than you. The reason I said that is because of your situation and being searched you would have time to run a proper cycle and PCT so if you learn proper body building nutrition you'll grow but you might well leave because your little disrespectful ass won't get any advice from people who really know what thier talking about now.

[andysutils]

9 weeks is fine, there you go, yes thats it, you aint getting naything else off me or anyone else, if you cant be arsed to listen, we cant be arsed to help you, if you dont like the responses from people who have replied who blatently know what there doing and talking about (far more than you do by looknig at that 10lb journey thread) i suggest you go back to the rig and throw yourself back in the sea.

Short term solution? theres no such thing, AAS and bodybuilding isnt a solution to anything, its a lifetime commitment of blood and guts.

your work doesnt allow you to follow a controled diet or training regime? bye bye AAS then, cos the only thing youll gain is a weight of dissapointment

[dennis]

Try 60 mgs of dbol daily for 6 weeks then get back on rig with no pct,no weight room,no sex drive and no friends on Meso

[jasthace]

I am wondering myself,how ARE you going to workout on the rig to keep your gains?
and without the "conventonal" diet bla bla bla
You're starting to look like another dreamer that does'nt really understand how much is involved in building and maintaining a muscular physique
Wow your 29 and have been training for what ? one year Ha HA
You talking to people that have been training for 20+ years and getting snippy

[Plated]

A couple of you have pointed out that I shouldn't argue with seasoned pros and I agree 100%. Now if these guys had replied with something constructive like 'maybe where you're at at the moment you shouldn't be looking at this yet/are you sure you've exhausted the diet route' then ok, but be fair, they didn't. They were trying to be witty and made the assumption that I didn't have a clue.

"if you cant be arsed to listen, we cant be arsed to help you, if you dont like the responses from people who have replied who blatently know what there doing and talking about ..."

Andy, a one word reply and a link to some before and after pics isn't much of a response is it? If I didn't think I could learn something here I wouldn't have posted. I DO want to learn something from these guys. What they posted wasn't very helpful but instead of saying that I acted like a douche.

"Short term solution? theres no such thing, AAS and bodybuilding isnt a solution to anything, its a lifetime commitment of blood and guts."

I'm aware of that. I'm not stupid. I don't mean I want a short term solution to get big. I simply meant a short term cycle in comparison to a normal first cycle.

"your work doesnt allow you to follow a controled diet or training regime? bye bye AAS then, cos the only thing youll gain is a weight of dissapointment"

I said 'conventional'. Most rigs are equipped with pretty good gyms. Some rigs have better gyms than anything in my home town. The training isn't so much an issue. The diet is. I can eat lots and eat pretty clean but breaking it up into 5-6 meals a day is hard. Counting macros is obviously based on guestimation. That's all I meant. I was signed off for 8 months last year and I was religious about my diet while I trained. I'm now back on the rigs and finding the adjustment hard.

Now, I got off on the wrong foot and I'm sorry about that. I disrespected those guys because I took it they were disrespecting me without knowing anything about me. I shouldn't have and I apologise sincerely.

@ Muscle Mafia. You we're being a little condescending but granted, you weren't offensive about it and I was when I replied. My bad. I'm not a big guy and I'm sure you could make me suck my own balls if you wanted to. What I wanted to say is that just because I only recently took up body building doesn't mean I don't know about proper bodybuilding nutrition. I've been interested in sports nutrition for over ten years and my ex was a bioscientist who works in the field. Believe me, I'm very serious about my diet.

@ Justhace. I'm 29 and I've been lifting for 1 year, yes. Before one year ago if I'd been any bigger than 155 lbs I would have had problems competing in my previous sport.

Yes, I sound like a total dick in my replies but I hope you'll all believe me when I say I was having a real bad day and those one word lolbai replies just sent me over the edge. It wasn't 'me' and I hope you'll take my word on that. Once again I'm sorry to those guys who I offended.

Peace