Steroids effects on cardio??

[Bigweight81]

Currently taking sust and EQ did my 1st bit of cardio outside of the gym today and had to stop jogging after about a half mile becuz my calf's were full of blood and felt they were going to explode. I stretched a bit before i went and also every time i had to stop. Whats the deal? Anyone know why this might be happening?

[advanced-stealth]

You just had a pump. You were using your calves to run and with the increase in blood volume from the test and eq there is more cells to fill up the tissue in your calves. It was just a pump, it will most likely continue until you finish your cycle.

[Beefy]

Eq is very good for pumps. Sometimes to the point of hindering cardio on a treadmill. Try a bike or stepper or something to lower the workload on your calves.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by Beefy

Eq is very good for pumps. Sometimes to the point of hindering cardio on a treadmill. Try a bike or stepper or something to lower the workload on your calves.

Yes, I believe eq and the pumps are sometimes tough during running. Also high RBC levels can hinder cardiovascular load and health during cycles.

[slick33158]

As far as endurance goes, high RBC's are supposed to enhance your performance. Red blood cells are what circulates oxygen to your body's muscles/organs, etc. So when on AAS and having a high RBC count that most all AAS causes, you'll have better oxygen utilization. In theory anyway. I've heard they used to give EQ to racing horses to enhance thier endurance and speed.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

As far as endurance goes, high RBC's are supposed to enhance your performance. Red blood cells are what circulates oxygen to your body's muscles/organs, etc. So when on AAS and having a high RBC count that most all AAS causes, you'll have better oxygen utilization. In theory anyway. I've heard they used to give EQ to racing horses to enhance thier endurance and speed.

Yes, in theory, but too much can have opposite effects on endurance, you can feel winded and sluggish, hence when you give blood on aas you typically feel less run down. Heavy smokers actually produce a ton of RBC's, and they don't have the greatest endurance. It depends on the person and the extent of the over abundance.

[iluvdeadlifts]

Originally Posted by Beefy

Eq is very good for pumps. Sometimes to the point of hindering cardio on a treadmill. Try a bike or stepper or something to lower the workload on your calves.

I found that while on cyp and tren i couldn't use a treadmill for more than 5 minutes or so. Had to use a cross trainer instead. The pump in my calves was pretty intense, my feet were sometimes numb!!! Hope thats not some other problem......

[Président]

Letro solve my cardio problem when cutting. No more heavy pumps, no more water retention and i can do my cardio with no pain. While on test ans Tren, walking from one corner of the street to the other pump my calves to point of having pain.That's good for bulking but when you cut, it is an obstacle.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by slick33158

As far as endurance goes, high RBC's are supposed to enhance your performance. Red blood cells are what circulates oxygen to your body's muscles/organs, etc. So when on AAS and having a high RBC count that most all AAS causes, you'll have better oxygen utilization. In theory anyway. I've heard they used to give EQ to racing horses to enhance thier endurance and speed.

Your theory is a little off on endurance.Some steroids will wind you pretty quickly when doing cardio.Tren is notorius for this.Eq was designed as an apetite stimulate for horses..winstrol was designed for aged geldings and stallions to help them keep gaining weight and to keep their muscle on board.

[Président]

Originally Posted by dennis

Your theory is a little off on endurance.Some steroids will wind you pretty quickly when doing cardio.Tren is notorius for this.Eq was designed as an apetite stimulate for horses..winstrol was designed for aged geldings and stallions to help them keep gaining weight and to keep their muscle on board.

He is not totally wrong, steroids , especially anadrol, have the same purpose than EPO: stimulate the bone marrow to produce erythrocytes and increase the volume of oxygen in the organism. The result: more oxygen to produce ATP, and more energy for endurance training But...the only difference between steroids like anadrol and EPO is the production of estrogen that cause a huge water retention and saturate your muscle with fluid and make you unable to do endurance training.

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Président

He is not totally wrong, steroids , especially anadrol, have the same purpose than EPO: stimulate the bone marrow to produce erythrocytes and increase the volume of oxygen in the organism. The result: more oxygen to produce ATP, and more energy for endurance training But...the only difference between steroids like anadrol and EPO is the production of estrogen that cause a huge water retention and saturate your muscle with fluid and make you unable to do endurance training.

agreed..that is why I said his theory was a "little off".

[jsupstarz]

Yes there is a fine line, a higher RBC count is good for that , like endurance runners, high altitude, but way high, which some people get (certain aas more than others) can congest your CV system and actually backfire becoming more difficult for endurance. Too much 02 will make you dizzy.

[slick33158]

Originally Posted by Président

He is not totally wrong, steroids , especially anadrol, have the same purpose than EPO: stimulate the bone marrow to produce erythrocytes and increase the volume of oxygen in the organism. The result: more oxygen to produce ATP, and more energy for endurance training But...the only difference between steroids like anadrol and EPO is the production of estrogen that cause a huge water retention and saturate your muscle with fluid and make you unable to do endurance training.

That's why I said in theory because my experience along with most others is that it actually hinders endurance, some, not all AAS. Like jsup said, I think its the overabundance that actually starts straining your cardiovascular system, that along with any estrogen increase in aromatizable steroids could be the reason. I'll bet in small to moderate doses you would get great benefits endurance wise. I know runners are known for using AAS, when its possible, cyclers etc. It's an issue in every endurance based sport so there has to be something to it.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by slick33158

That's why I said in theory because my experience along with most others is that it actually hinders endurance, some, not all AAS. Like jsup said, I think its the overabundance that actually starts straining your cardiovascular system, that along with any estrogen increase in aromatizable steroids could be the reason. I'll bet in small to moderate doses you would get great benefits endurance wise. I know runners are known for using AAS, when its possible, cyclers etc. It's an issue in every endurance based sport so there has to be something to it.

YES, your right. It's a fine line, and endurce runners don't run massive amounts of tren,dbol,test etc.

[flannel]

I'm in the same boat right now. Running a Test E and EQ cycle, and I can't jog outside. My calves feel like they're going to explode. I'm sticking to doing high intensity and resistance on the eliptical machine, and doing a lot of high-intensity kickboxing until the cycle is over.