Summer Stack Revisited

[bigmack]

All right, being a newbie to the forum I took a step back, did my homework, and have reevaluated my proposed stack. I understand the importance of including a highly androgenic steroid when using Nandrolone which is why I initially was going with Dianabol. However, I will agree that combining two potentially liver toxic orals may not be the most health conscience thing to do (Winny/D-bol). I just hope that the people out there dispensing advice are not the same guys who will go to the club on the weekend and drink their weight in alcohol. Most of the literature I have reviewed link hepatoxic effects (supraphysiologic liver enzymes/liver cancer) to high doses of Anadrol-50. I have access to blood tests through work that I do monitor while cycling (On that note, Winny is a mutha@*&$ when it comes to HDL) where I have not experienced elevated liver enzymes above normal range when on an oral. I have tossed around the idea of using Proviron, an orally active/non-alkylated derivative of DHT with Nandrolone. Anyone have experience with this? I am 26 with years of lifting experience, 3 solid cycles under my belt over the last 2 years (1 newbie D-bol only for 4 weeks, a 500mg/week for 10 weeks of Sustanon, and a Deca/Winny stack for 10 weeks:400mg/week ND and 50mgEOD W), current weight of 230 lbs. at 6'1" and 14% measured by BIA. Anyways, here is the new stack:

I have 20ml of 250mg/ml BD Decabol, 20 1ml of 250mg/ml Test-E, 140 10mg BD Winny tabs, 2 5000I.U. of HCG, and 60 tabs of 50mg Clomid.

Week 1-5: 500mg/week Deca & 500mg/week Test
Week 5-10: 500mg/week Deca, 500mg/week Test, & 40mg/ED Winny
Week 13-14: 2500I.U. HCG every 4 days
Week 14-18: 100mg/ED Clomid with tapering down to 50mg/ED last week

Please give honest opinion. That is why I joined-for education.

[eleven11]

One thing I'd do is take more test than deca. 500/400 or 600/500 etc. Other than that it looks good. I like that your only doing the winny for 4-5 weeks..........11

[bigmack]

Excellent suggestion. Unfortunately a financial cap keeps me from adding anymore Test. I wish tax returns came more than once a year!

[jaysmithinwesson]

this looks better. being that your deca and test is 250mg/ml, and you have had deca exp. you may very well be ok on a 1/1 deca/test. run your winny wk 8-12. and i do not drink a drop while im on a 17aa. good luck.

[bigmack]

Thanks for the advice bro. By the way, the previous comment wasn't meant as a direct flame toward you. I have no business burning bridges I am trying to build. Its just that I see shit like that all the time.

[shredalean]

Originally Posted by bigmack

Excellent suggestion. Unfortunately a financial cap keeps me from adding anymore Test. I wish tax returns came more than once a year!

Then you need to drop the Deca to 400! You MUST ALWAYS do more test than Deca! Unless your not into getting a hard-on. I would have to disagree on the 1/1 mix. But that's just me!

[joe shmoe]

i would also drop the deca to 400mg/wk and keep test at 500mg/wk. you'll also want to stop the deca at week 8-9 so that it clears about the same time as the test. if you stop at week 8, then you'll have 4 shots of the deca left over. i would suggest frontloading the deca for the first 2 weeks(double your intended dose). this will help elevate your blood levels and you'll start to see gains a bit quicker.

as for the recovery part...i'd change a few things. if you drop the deca at week 8, then all you really need to worry about is the enanthate clearing. this means you could start clomid 14 days after your last shot. now you'll want the hCG to clear about the same time as the test. i'd do it every 3 days, starting the day after your last shot. so 4 shots will bring you to 12 days. this is good since you'll be starting clomid 14 days after last shot. i'd prefer to see you shoot the hCG @ 1000 iu's ED for 10 days, but if you cant do that, then follow the advice above.

have a nice day

[highoutput]

I think the deca to test ratio really depends on the person. i have taken more deca then test in a cycle and i had regular lift off.

[patsfan]

I would do 12 weeks instead of 10...you are really cutting yourself a little short.

Make sure you take 1000-1500 mg of milk thistle a day on the winni.

pats