super long cycle PCT

[chap]

Just wondering if any of you long cyclers have done a Clomid and Nolva pct at the same time recently and if you thought that was much better than just choosing one or the other?

I have been on for about 3 years pretty much without much time off at all and been doing tren and test and eq and others... last blood test showed zero LH and FSH which has been like that for a long time I think. I've tried more hrt type stuff more recently, but want to give a try to actually restarting my hpta.

I am going to try the 1000 iu of HCG every day for 5 days, with Clomid and Nolva every day tapering down to a low dose and maybe continue the serm for 2 months......


any thoughts?

[unt0ld]

Good luck man

[heavyuser]

Originally Posted by chap

Just wondering if any of you long cyclers have done a Clomid and Nolva pct at the same time recently and if you thought that was much better than just choosing one or the other?

I have been on for about 3 years pretty much without much time off at all and been doing tren and test and eq and others... last blood test showed zero LH and FSH which has been like that for a long time I think. I've tried more hrt type stuff more recently, but want to give a try to actually restarting my hpta.

I am going to try the 1000 iu of HCG every day for 5 days, with Clomid and Nolva every day tapering down to a low dose and maybe continue the serm for 2 months......


any thoughts?

I have been on for 7 years in a row, with short time frame off between cycles.

Right now, i was taking Nolva 20mg/ clomid 50mg daily combo, and it seems this work very well for me. I was on this combo for 2 1/2 months. After my long cycle, my testosterone level was 280ng/dl, and LH, FSH, was not detectable. Right now, my testosterone level was 850ng/dl ( 300-1000) in the afternoon, and LH was 3,5 (1,5-7). I still dont have change in my modd, libido, and sex drive. I will slowly taper my SERM-s dose, and finish with them till the end of Mart.

[PreMier]

Time to wake up and stop those stupid long cycles......hope you still have natural test production and do not have permanent testicle shrinkage from those irresponsable cycles..Best of luck to you.

[Bigkarch]

why three years??????????????????????..do the hcg and regular pct..good luck..

[heavyuser]

Originally Posted by Bigkarch

why three years??????????????????????..do the hcg and regular pct..good luck..

It seems that long period, extended use of SERM-s, will be the way to go.
At least, in my case. We gona see, what will gona hapened in the 15 day, washout period of SERM-s.

[unt0ld]

Originally Posted by heavyuser

I have been on for 7 years in a row, with short time frame off between cycles.

Right now, i was taking Nolva 20mg/ clomid 50mg daily combo, and it seems this work very well for me. I was on this combo for 2 1/2 months. After my long cycle, my testosterone level was 280ng/dl, and LH, FSH, was not detectable. Right now, my testosterone level was 850ng/dl ( 300-1000) in the afternoon, and LH was 3,5 (1,5-7). I still dont have change in my modd, libido, and sex drive. I will slowly taper my SERM-s dose, and finish with them till the end of Mart.

Daamn Heavy. What was your highest dosage during the 7 years?

Did you keep the dosages the same? And did you worry about callogen synthesis?

Testosterone only?

[heavyuser]

Originally Posted by unt0ld

Daamn Heavy. What was your highest dosage during the 7 years?

Did you keep the dosages the same? And did you worry about callogen synthesis?

Testosterone only?

Commonly Testosteron enanthate, dosages between 750-1500mg weekly.
I think it is not so bad situation. Many guys runing years long cycles, and with proper, longer PCT (SERM-s), successfully bring their HPTA in the normal, natural state.

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by heavyuser

Commonly Testosteron enanthate, dosages between 750-1500mg weekly.
I think it is not so bad situation. Many guys runing years long cycles, and with proper, longer PCT (SERM-s), successfully bring their HPTA in the normal, natural state.

If you're coming down from an extra-long cycle and the usual PCT routines don't work, try arimidex at 2 gs ed x 5 weeks followed by 0.5 gs eod x weeks. Do;nt go longer than that, if it hasn't worked by then it won't at all.

This might work if your estrogen levels post-cylce are very high.

[heavyuser]

Originally Posted by greyowl

If you're coming down from an extra-long cycle and the usual PCT routines don't work, try arimidex at 2 gs ed x 5 weeks followed by 0.5 gs eod x weeks. Do;nt go longer than that, if it hasn't worked by then it won't at all.

This might work if your estrogen levels post-cylce are very high.

My numbers tell you everything, after 2 & 1/2 months on the clomid/nolvadex my total testosteron is 850ng/dl. No, i dont have problems with estrogen, it is prety low right now.

[greyowl]

Originally Posted by heavyuser

l. No, i dont have problems with estrogen, it is prety low right now.

In that case I wouldn;t bother with adex.

[heavyuser]

And did you worry about callogen synthesis?

Why should be woried about collagen synthesis?