TBOL Cycle Duration

[SteveCrammer]

Im going to stack TBOL(50mg ed) and Anavar (80mg ED).

Im running Anavar for 10 weeks, how long can I run TBOL for? Most people seem to run for 6 weeks, doesnt seem very long?

I will be using liver protection anyhow.

Thanks

[MaxRep]

That's an overdose of orals. Your liver won't be happy. Not sure why you think you need 130mg/day of orals when an injectable will give you the same or better results without the liver toxicity.

Best regards,
MaxRep

P.S. If you're set on utilizing at least 1 high dose oral, anavar is a good choice. Among the various oral steroids, it is about the easiest on the liver as it's partly metabolized by the kidneys, thereby reducing the stress on the liver. Reduce, does not mean eliminate as liver enzyme readings will still increase. Also keep in mind it will still drastically lower your HDL (good cholesterol) count and raise your LDL count.

[deathgrip07]

Holy cow, your liver is going to be screaming. I would do one or the other. I like the Tbol myself, and the norm is 6 weeks, but it would be much better with an injectable. Why would you want to do 2 17AA's? You must have read about the risks associated with oral cycles...

[advanced-stealth]

I agree with was is posted above.

[HDH]

If your going to run 2 you should drop down to 8 weeks and lower the dosage.

Or get a vial of Test

HDH

[Ironhorse]

Why dont you do one or the other WITH some test. Afraid of needles? You need to get over that fear (if you are serious about bodybuilding), and the best way to do it is to run a cycle of with test. Just curious why you would want to do 2 orals.

[Selene]

Originally Posted by SteveCrammer

Im going to stack TBOL(50mg ed) and Anavar (80mg ED).

Im running Anavar for 10 weeks, how long can I run TBOL for? Most people seem to run for 6 weeks, doesnt seem very long?

I will be using liver protection anyhow.

Thanks

anavar does not affect the liver and you should be fine, I have done long term cycles of orals max 6 months with out any issues, blood tests post cycle were normal. anavar/tbol is one of my favorite stacks....good luck to you

[smaretick]

Originally Posted by Selene

anavar does not affect the liver and you should be fine, I have done long term cycles of orals max 6 months with out any issues, blood tests post cycle were normal. anavar/tbol is one of my favorite stacks....good luck to you

I agree, but remember, we're all different and our bodies react differently to substances we put in them. Basically, what I'm saying is, you may not have any problems using 2 orals simultaneously, but take it slow and be aware of how your body is reacting to them. Do some ancillaries with your orals to protect your liver & kidneys and be especially aware of any kidney pain you may experience (lower back pain)...and stay hydrated to keep the kidneys flushed.
Hope this helps.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by Selene

anavar does not affect the liver and you should be fine, I have done long term cycles of orals max 6 months with out any issues, blood tests post cycle were normal. anavar/tbol is one of my favorite stacks....good luck to you

I disagree.

Copy and paste from MESO Var profile-

Oxandrolone shares the liver toxicity problems common to 17-alkylated steroids. At one time it was thought that it did not, but both clinical and practical experience with Oxandrin has shown that at doses of 40 mg/day and higher, liver toxicity is indeed an issue with prolonged use.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...xandrolone.htm

HDH

[smaretick]

Originally Posted by HDH

I disagree.

Copy and paste from MESO Var profile-

Oxandrolone shares the liver toxicity problems common to 17-alkylated steroids. At one time it was thought that it did not, but both clinical and practical experience with Oxandrin has shown that at doses of 40 mg/day and higher, liver toxicity is indeed an issue with prolonged use.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid...xandrolone.htm

HDH

Sorry, I didn't do a very good job explaining what I meant in my previous post. What I meant was that you may or may not have issues taking both orals at once, but HDH is correct, a 17AA steroid means that it has been altered at the 17th carbon position to survive its first pass through your liver, and make it into your blood stream. So, bottom line is that this will put more stress on your liver (x2 since you are planning on doing 2 17AA orals) which is why I suggested using ancillaries to protect your liver. Just be cautious and as I originally suggested, take it slow....but your liver would definitely be 'happier' if you only did one of the orals.

[SteveCrammer]

Im using liv 52 6 daily and NAC 2400mg daily for liver protection and yes drinking lots of water is a good idea.

So possibly 6 weeks of TBOL 40mgED
10 weeks Anavar 80mg ED


Will the liver stack above help?

[TheBeat]

Originally Posted by Selene

anavar does not affect the liver and you should be fine, I have done long term cycles of orals max 6 months with out any issues, blood tests post cycle were normal. anavar/tbol is one of my favorite stacks....good luck to you

Where you do come up with this? Have you had blood tests done at those doses? Can you provide an article showing this? Can you show us some studies or are you just spilling out harmful misinformation. I will even wager a bet if you could prove your blood test results - give me a PM or place it on the open board.

I personally can show you many studies, many articles and a personal blood test result showing your wrong. Anavar is considered so safe because the common doses used in previous studies were low - like 5-15mg per day. Recent studys show that it is almost or just as toxic as the others.

Turinabol personally screwed up my cholesterol worst than anything else I have ever used,; again I have blood work to prove it, not just spilling out this misinformation/opinion shit.



Either way, you cycle is going to be a very unhealthy and expensive one with minimal results. You should cut down your doses and or consider using an injectable. Remember that your health isn't always what you can feel - cholesterol, liver enzymes and usually blood pressure is not noticable without testing. Just wanted to give my opinion and empirical facts on this matter.

Also, why is everyone so quick to jump above 40mg of anavar? Bunk gear? I have phenominal results at 40mg for what anavars worth. I guess if 40mg is good, then 80mg is better, screw it- next time I'm going run a gram of anavar a week that would be awesome; ripped to shreds and strong as an ox. (kidding)

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by TheBeat

Where you do come up with this? Have you had blood tests done at those doses? Can you provide an article showing this? Can you show us some studies or are you just spilling out harmful misinformation. I will even wager a bet if you could prove your blood test results - give me a PM or place it on the open board.

I personally can show you many studies, many articles and a personal blood test result showing your wrong. Anavar is considered so safe because the common doses used in previous studies were low - like 5-15mg per day. Recent studys show that it is almost or just as toxic as the others.

Turinabol personally screwed up my cholesterol worst than anything else I have ever used,; again I have blood work to prove it, not just spilling out this misinformation/opinion shit.



Either way, you cycle is going to be a very unhealthy and expensive one with minimal results. You should cut down your doses and or consider using an injectable. Remember that your health isn't always what you can feel - cholesterol, liver enzymes and usually blood pressure is not noticable without testing. Just wanted to give my opinion and empirical facts on this matter.

Also, why is everyone so quick to jump above 40mg of anavar? Bunk gear? I have phenominal results at 40mg for what anavars worth. I guess if 40mg is good, then 80mg is better, screw it- next time I'm going run a gram of anavar a week that would be awesome; ripped to shreds and strong as an ox. (kidding)

I believe selene was thinking that it isn't aromatizing and not as harsh

[Treeman]

Guys im in a similar position. Im not going to do 2 orals just the 1 for liver toxic reasons. I just want to do a very light cycle and i know it'll produce minimal results but i dont want to bulk up massively.

I proprose to run:

Turanabol (T-bol) 40mg/day for 6 weeks
2 week PCT of Nolva

Please give me your opinions.