Steroid Forum: This is a discussion on test always as base within the Anabolic Steroids forums, part of the extensive steroid information at MESO-Rx; i pretty much know test should be in every cycle. But, should you use more test than any other gear ...
i pretty much know test should be in every cycle. But, should you use more test than any other gear you are using? Or can a small amount of test be sufficient just as long as it is in there. Can i get away with using just 100-200mgs of test a week, just so it's in there? want to do test/tren but use a lot more tren.
Well, throwing the test in there is not just for shits and giggles and to try to keep from having people flame you. Tren is very suppressive, and kills lots of people sex drive, unless you are MANWHORE. SO you put more test in there than tren to counter-act that. Kind of like how people run test longer than deca and at higher doses.
Even winny and anavar lower test, and thus lower libido in the long run while on, so having some test in there keeps everything working fine! ALthough i have met plenty of people who say their libido stays high on winny, and met people who tell me they lose their libido 4 weeks in.
I always figured there was a reason why people say to add more Test than the other AAS in the cycle,but no one could ever explain it .. I can tell you that EQ alone,made my sexdrive go to shit. .. I'm not sure my body remembers what Test is anymore. I am starting to grow Hooves
running tren alone is gonna make you stronger and leaner - but if you want good mass gains also you must add test - for me test run higher than the other drugs in the stack makes recovery a breeze - only Manwhore seems able to openly scoff at test while taking tren
There's no reason whatsoever to include more test than another compound. They don't cancel each other out. It's not like EQ attacks the testosterone to subdue it if there is more eq in the cycle than test.
ok now i'm confused. good replies on both ends of the spectrum from guys who know what they are talking about. I know i'm including test because of mainly the shutdown factor, not the gains factor. I know you can gain without test and using other stuff, but like i said, i'm concerned about my recovery mostly. Used tren in the past, loved it. Havent figured out the dosage yet, but wanted to do more tren than test, both enanthate versions. It seemed to me that the tren did more for me than the test in the past. Test=bigger, stronger. Tren=bigger, stronger, leaner, harder. A no brainer to me. I would do tren only like MANWHORE, but am terrified of that recovery, not sure either how he pulls it off. As far as prop, i'm not a big fan of getting poked, so the fewer times the better. Back to my question, more confused now than when i asked. more test than tren, or is more tren than test ok as long as it's in there?
Honestly, I don't see how having test in the cycle would impact recovery in the least. Maybe there's something I'm missing, I don't know.
For what it's worth, I ran them both at equal proportions for about 10.5 weeks and as of 4ish weeks later, my balls are full-sized. I'm definitely not "back to normal" but my balls are. Also, I didn't even feel shutdown at all until week 7 or so. Not that feel has that much to do with it, but I didn't experience much testicular atrophy until about then.
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