test-c Raises my bP

[jmills]

so he measured his bp twice and now he's an expert on the reason it was high...if it really was high. whatever...im always willing to learn but all I've learned here is a newbie is scared shitless of a lil bp and a few of you guys are waaaay to convinced of your own opinions and that attitude will blind you to having an open mind re any other possibilities.
have fun with that

[5k|/\/ /\/ Y]

Can we all get along?
its not that im an expert or anything its just that the way i was feeling was not a feeling i wish on anybody. Yes i am a total noob guys and one thing that ive noticed is not how much more knowledge (or not) we have over the other fella, but rather lets find a solution , Together.
Can i start at smaller amounts ie: .5cc of each ?
Thaks again brothers.

[role model]

Originally Posted by jmills

so he measured his bp twice and now he's an expert on the reason it was high...if it really was high. whatever...im always willing to learn but all I've learned here is a newbie is scared shitless of a lil bp and a few of you guys are waaaay to convinced of your own opinions and that attitude will blind you to having an open mind re any other possibilities.
have fun with that

If anyone has a bug up the ass its you, your hell bent to prove yourself right. So what is causing it then? Facts are: is that his BP was normal. He took test for 2 weeks his BP was high after 2 weeks. DAH! its probably the test. So you stop the test and see if it gos back to normal. Wasn't that easy.
So for you to say were trying to scare him shit less, is just another one of your moronic theories.
You don't even have a theory, you just argue.

[role model]

Originally Posted by 5k|/\/ /\/ Y

Can i start at smaller amounts ie: .5cc of each ?
Thaks again brothers.

OK, now you say each, I thought it was just Test C.
Whats the other one?

[jmills]

ok im gonna try this one more time,then im not gonna look at this again.
im not trying to be "right" or prove a "theory". Im just saying that instead of the kneejerk reaction "its the test oh no" that it could...possibly...be something else. that's it. your continued stance that it has to be the test is very close minded and kind of ignorant to someone who is used to working with scientists and researchers...we often see that there are alternatives to the first theory that can (gasp!) have merit.
and he is not JUST taking TEST damnit...he's also taking whatever the test is cut with and possibly made other changes either to his diet or supps or something?

believe it or not, the only position I have here is that (if we're really trying to help, not just wave the flag of our own sense of self importance) then we should try to find out what other changes he's gone thru or doing differently, not just "blame it on the test" like every fucking body else does.

now, doesn't that sound reasonable? not saying anyone is WRONG so please don't get your panties in a bind ladies.

buh bye

[Fraggle]

OK, enough bloody arguing...

It's not blood pressure. 140/70 is not going to cause the kind of symptomatic discomfort described. It sounds more like histamine challenge during an allergic reaction. As per my previous post, this will be due to the ester used. DON't USE CYPIONATE AGAIN! Choose another ester, and start low, looking particularly for difficulty breathing, chest pains, discomfort at the site, and red welts or rash. When you introduce the new ester don't use anything else, except whey or creatine, no other supplements and certainly no other anabolics. And seriously consider going under doctor supervision. While you may not qualify for prescribed testosterone, being open and honest with health care professionals is always the best practice. I think you may be surprised at how accepting most doctors are, particularly when you involve them in the process to ensure that you are minimizing risk.

[role model]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

OK, enough bloody arguing...

It's not blood pressure. 140/70 is not going to cause the kind of symptomatic discomfort described. It sounds more like histamine challenge during an allergic reaction. As per my previous post, this will be due to the ester used. DON't USE CYPIONATE AGAIN! Choose another ester, and start low, looking particularly for difficulty breathing, chest pains, discomfort at the site, and red welts or rash. When you introduce the new ester don't use anything else, except whey or creatine, no other supplements and certainly no other anabolics. And seriously consider going under doctor supervision. While you may not qualify for prescribed testosterone, being open and honest with health care professionals is always the best practice. I think you may be surprised at how accepting most doctors are, particularly when you involve them in the process to ensure that you are minimizing risk.

Dr. Fraggle is right

jmills Were you ever in a relationship for more than 1 year?

[Mr Wiggly]

Well done Fraggle

[solo47]

Originally Posted by role model

jmills Were you ever in a relationship for more than 1 year?

Role, is that an invitation?

Solow

(PS: Your reasoning & openness to other evidence seemed pretty fair to me, JM.)

[HDH]

Nothing like a heated thread to get the wheels turning

As we all know, people react differently to different things.

Elevated BP is common during a cycle. I would not have stopped the cycle for that reason alone but the breathing and chest pains are definitely a major concern. There has been some good advice in this thread.

Never do anything that you're not comfortable with.

HDH

[5k|/\/ /\/ Y]

point well taken i will start new cycle of the trembolone i spoke about earlier would u suggest .5cc? once a week ?

Originally Posted by Fraggle

OK, enough bloody arguing...

It's not blood pressure. 140/70 is not going to cause the kind of symptomatic discomfort described. It sounds more like histamine challenge during an allergic reaction. As per my previous post, this will be due to the ester used. DON't USE CYPIONATE AGAIN! Choose another ester, and start low, looking particularly for difficulty breathing, chest pains, discomfort at the site, and red welts or rash. When you introduce the new ester don't use anything else, except whey or creatine, no other supplements and certainly no other anabolics. And seriously consider going under doctor supervision. While you may not qualify for prescribed testosterone, being open and honest with health care professionals is always the best practice. I think you may be surprised at how accepting most doctors are, particularly when you involve them in the process to ensure that you are minimizing risk.

[HDH]

Tren without Test?

HDH

[role model]

Originally Posted by solo47

Role, is that an invitation?

Solow

(PS: Your reasoning & openness to other evidence seemed pretty fair to me, JM.)

LOL, it was for you big guy.

[Fraggle]

You can run tren withou test, but you will eventually experience some loss in erectile function and a decrease in libido. Try bio-replacement at 100mg/week up to 3-400mg/week, but use enanthate or propionate.

.5cc of how many mg/ml for the tren?

Use ED injects, I've posted the reason for this so many times, I'm sure you can find it...

My blood pressure goes up on both test and tren. Resting generally moves from 105/60 to 120/70, still well in the normal range. I do however get a massive surge in blood pressure when lifting heavy using valsalva. This almost always results in an instant onset headache in the region of my pre-frontal cortex. This goes away within 5-10 minutes with careful breathing. I can keep it to minimum if I breathe carefully throughout the movements, but it still hurts like hell...

[5k|/\/ /\/ Y]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

You can run tren withou test, but you will eventually experience some loss in erectile function and a decrease in libido. Try bio-replacement at 100mg/week up to 3-400mg/week, but use enanthate or propionate.

.5cc of how many mg/ml for the tren?

Use ED injects, I've posted the reason for this so many times, I'm sure you can find it...

My blood pressure goes up on both test and tren. Resting generally moves from 105/60 to 120/70, still well in the normal range. I do however get a massive surge in blood pressure when lifting heavy using valsalva. This almost always results in an instant onset headache in the region of my pre-frontal cortex. This goes away within 5-10 minutes with careful breathing. I can keep it to minimum if I breathe carefully throughout the movements, but it still hurts like hell...

it is testonon 250 the vile consist of .5 ml total liquid .On the ingredients which i can barely read...seems to consist of a few ingredients on this Sustanon:
30mg Propionate
55mg Phenylpropionate
65mg Caproate
100mg Decanoate


So in conclusion ;
I would like to start using this (Sustanon)Testonon as the base instead of the Test- cyp as I did have that horrible reaction listed in this thread. I would also like to start small with .5 cc of testonon and then depending on how my body reacts should i consider stacking the norandren200 .5 cc of that as well. then like u said gradually increase and eventually plateau at 1.2cc of testonon and 1cc of norandren per week . What is your take on this?
Will await patiently your response. Thank you.

[bigbench]

Man, this reminds me of a guy a few years ago trying to say that test almost killed him. He said that he injected himself and hours later couldnt breath and almost died and it had to have been the test. People told him it couldnt be so he tried again and same thing happened. So, he was convienced it was the test. Well, after weeks of trying to figure it out, just turns out that the UG lab was a cheap lab and had a bit of PEANUT oil mixed in with solution and guess what, he is allergic to PEANUTS. Goes to show its not always black and white when trying to figure out these things.

[musle mafia]

Originally Posted by bigbench

Man, this reminds me of a guy a few years ago trying to say that test almost killed him. He said that he injected himself and hours later couldnt breath and almost died and it had to have been the test. People told him it couldnt be so he tried again and same thing happened. So, he was convienced it was the test. Well, after weeks of trying to figure it out, just turns out that the UG lab was a cheap lab and had a bit of PEANUT oil mixed in with solution and guess what, he is allergic to PEANUTS. Goes to show its not always black and white when trying to figure out these things.

Wow that's a strange situation. Thanks for sharing that BB. I can't believe this thread is still alive. You guys really went on this one but it's a good discussion with valid points. I still have to say I believe it's the something in the compound or an underlying issue I donn't think it was the actual test. That's all my two cents I have for this topic I thought it would have died by now.

[5k|/\/ /\/ Y]

Originally Posted by bigbench

Man, this reminds me of a guy a few years ago trying to say that test almost killed him. He said that he injected himself and hours later couldnt breath and almost died and it had to have been the test. People told him it couldnt be so he tried again and same thing happened. So, he was convienced it was the test. Well, after weeks of trying to figure it out, just turns out that the UG lab was a cheap lab and had a bit of PEANUT oil mixed in with solution and guess what, he is allergic to PEANUTS. Goes to show its not always black and white when trying to figure out these things.

So I will go ahead and try what i mentioned and keep u posted. If any thing unusual happens with the alternate solution. Thanks guys. One last thing b4 i go. When i feel my tits itching should i take the clomid immediately? or should i just wait until the pct? I have read that its good to have your pct since day 1.
thanks guys.

[HDH]

Originally Posted by 5k|/\/ /\/ Y

So I will go ahead and try what i mentioned and keep u posted. If any thing unusual happens with the alternate solution. Thanks guys. One last thing b4 i go. When i feel my tits itching should i take the clomid immediately? or should i just wait until the pct? I have read that its good to have your pct since day 1.
thanks guys.

If you show signs of gyno you should take Nolva immediately.

HDH

[Fraggle]

The mixed ester blend doesn't contain cypionate, unless it's a UGL that has incorrectly labeled their test blend. Anyway, go ahead and start small then work your way up. Do realize that if you encounter problems again, you're not going to no which ester caused it, as you have four potential allergens.

Good Luck