From Test Cyp to Test Enant 24 days into cycle?

[LifeSize]

So i'm on 125mg Test Cyp and 100mg Tren Ace EOD. It's about 24 days into my cycle, things are starting to develop nicely.

Yesterday I picked up a bottle of Enanthate.. I probably have 2mL left of Cyp.. On Monday I will do 1ml, on Thursday I will do the other mL..then I plan to switch over to this Enanthate, and continue to do twice weekly injections.

Cyp has me a little bloated, the Enanthate may do me a little better. Also deciding to switch to twice weekly injections to see if I can get some more primary effects (growth, stamina, vigor, everything else associated with Test use).

What do you guys think about this?

[Fraggle]

It's not really going to effect much at all. The difference between cyp and enan is rather small. Of course with the provisio that everyone is different.

You should be experiencing the increased libido effect with either dosing paradigm.

The tren could very likely be responsible for decreased energy. At >50mg/day I get so incredibly exhausted by around 2-3pm that I almost always require a nap for an hour or two. T3 may help with this. Tren is such a potent anabolic that I have a theory that it is preferentially using nutrients for storage as opposed to energy.

Fraggle

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

It's not really going to effect much at all. The difference between cyp and enan is rather small. Of course with the provisio that everyone is different.

You should be experiencing the increased libido effect with either dosing paradigm.

The tren could very likely be responsible for decreased energy. At >50mg/day I get so incredibly exhausted by around 2-3pm that I almost always require a nap for an hour or two. T3 may help with this. Tren is such a potent anabolic that I have a theory that it is preferentially using nutrients for storage as opposed to energy.

Fraggle

Thanks Fragg, just wanted to be sure. You're probably right about the Tren..now that I have you in here.. Do you think I should add Proviron to my cycle?

I'm going to try and get some, it should hopefully be here in a couple of weeks.. I'd pretty much only be able to run it the last 6 weeks, maybe 8 if I stretched the cycle out to 14 weeks..

Would it be beneficial to gains?

[dennis]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

Thanks Fragg, just wanted to be sure. You're probably right about the Tren..now that I have you in here.. Do you think I should add Proviron to my cycle?

I'm going to try and get some, it should hopefully be here in a couple of weeks.. I'd pretty much only be able to run it the last 6 weeks, maybe 8 if I stretched the cycle out to 14 weeks..

Would it be beneficial to gains?

The proviron sure would make you feel better while the enth/cyp is clearing your system....good to know you can just "go out and pick stuff up..."Lucky bastard !

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by dennis

The proviron sure would make you feel better while the enth/cyp is clearing your system....good to know you can just "go out and pick stuff up..."Lucky bastard !

Everything but the damn HCG and Proviron..temporary but I can't wait anymore. I am very blessed in regards to my local resources...

[Fraggle]

Proviron and Masteron are absolutely wonderful compounds. I really don't understand why more people don't run them instead of an AI when on-cycle. Unless someone is taking tremendous amounts of aromatising steroids they pretty much cover any estrogenic issues.

I've also heard of people using proviron through post-cycle therapy, although someone else is going to have to provide experience with this...

[dennis]

Originally Posted by Fraggle

Proviron and Masteron are absolutely wonderful compounds. I really don't understand why more people don't run them instead of an AI when on-cycle. Unless someone is taking tremendous amounts of aromatising steroids they pretty much cover any estrogenic issues.

I've also heard of people using proviron through post-cycle therapy, although someone else is going to have to provide experience with this...

Solo has the experience.....I think he eats provi for breakfast along with Canadian Poontang

[LifeSize]

12 week cycle = 84 days right?

So if the 12 week cycle started on June 4th...when *should* it end?

I'm using an excel chart for this, for some reason everything doesn't finish at the same time.. Like for some reason my Cyp and Tren run on an extra 3 weeks.. Trying to make sure my math is right.. The Proviron i'm charting is 50mg ED for 84 days (a full 12 weeks) and it finishes early July. As opposed to mid August for everything else.

Fraggle, what is better.. Masteron or Proviron? I would assume Mast would provide a more anabolic response right?

[dumbbellpress]

Enanthate is a 7 Carbon ester / Test Enanthate has a Molecular Weight of 400.

Cypionate is an 8 Carbon Ester / Test Cypionate has a Molecular Weight of 413.

There is not a snowball's chance in hell you will experience a difference in the clinical efficacy of Enanthate vs Cypionate. These two esters are THE SAME, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION>

Anyone who tells you Enanthate is better, or Cypionate is better, or that they experience less bloat on one or the other, is selling you snake oil. If you believe these idiots, then guess what, I have 25,000 acres of uninhabitable swampland I will sell you for $5,000 per acre.

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by dumbbellpress

Enanthate is a 7 Carbon ester / Test Enanthate has a Molecular Weight of 400.

Cypionate is an 8 Carbon Ester / Test Cypionate has a Molecular Weight of 413.

There is not a snowball's chance in hell you will experience a difference in the clinical efficacy of Enanthate vs Cypionate. These two esters are THE SAME, PERIOD, END OF DISCUSSION>

Anyone who tells you Enanthate is better, or Cypionate is better, or that they experience less bloat on one or the other, is selling you snake oil. If you believe these idiots, then guess what, I have 25,000 acres of uninhabitable swampland I will sell you for $5,000 per acre.

lol.. funny you pop in today.. i saw the thread you had going from like 2004-2005 covering the same shit..

I know the gear is legit, but I mean the fact that most people prefer Enan over Cyp.. Most claim less bloat on Enan than Cyp least on Prop and Suspension.. I mean it has to hold some value.. Regardless its a couple more mg of Test in Enan than Cyp :P

So more importantly im not some way slowing down my cycle by swapping the esters and changing the injection schedule?

[dumbbellpress]

Lifesize, I am sorry for annoying you and making you angry. I realize you do not respect my opinion. No hard feelings at all. Best of luck to you. Train hard, eat great, get lots of sleep. I wish you the best.

[solo47]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

Everything but the damn HCG and Proviron..temporary but I can't wait anymore. I am very blessed in regards to my local resources...

HCG is available here & there. But, otherwise, you have a PM.

Solo

[solo47]

Originally Posted by LifeSize

12 week cycle = 84 days right?

So if the 12 week cycle started on June 4th...when *should* it end?

I'm using an excel chart for this, for some reason everything doesn't finish at the same time.. Like for some reason my Cyp and Tren run on an extra 3 weeks.. Trying to make sure my math is right.. The Proviron i'm charting is 50mg ED for 84 days (a full 12 weeks) and it finishes early July. As opposed to mid August for everything else.

Fraggle, what is better.. Masteron or Proviron? I would assume Mast would provide a more anabolic response right?

Yup. But Provi tickles my stomach as it dissolves. I mean it; it feels good, like I'm getting hungry. Only buy Schering. Mast via injection in long run may actually be cheaper than Provi.

And, Dennis, as you suggested, I do take my first 25 mg Provi first thing upon awakening.

Solo

[solo47]

One more thing, small amounts of Proviron, say 50 mg a day have not been shown to effect the functioning of one's natural HPTA; therefore, you should be able to use during PCT. HOWEVER, it definitely does not help the recovery of your HPTA and may be even harm it in some immeasurable way. Once PCT is done, however, and my own Test levels have returned, I'm on Schering Provi @ 50 mg ED off-cycle. On-cycle, like right now, I'm happily keeping my liver's attention by doing 100 mg ED.

Solo

[LifeSize]

Originally Posted by dumbbellpress

Lifesize, I am sorry for annoying you and making you angry. I realize you do not respect my opinion. No hard feelings at all. Best of luck to you. Train hard, eat great, get lots of sleep. I wish you the best.

No you misread me bro.. I did a search before I posted this thread and old one with your post came up.. you pretty much said the same thing - i thought it was funny because you don't actively post over here that much anymore.. then suddenly the one good bit of info I find in a search the same dude pops in and tells it again.. I didn't show any lack of respect for your opinion.

Regardless I switched to 1ml of Test on Mon/Thur.. I have enough Cyp for this Thur's and next Mon's shot.. Then it's Enant and see how well it works out. I'm also doing glute shots, wow I thought my quads we're a piece of cake...my rump loves this shit..a little more work getting through the skin since my ass is fat compared to my thighs but no more soreness. Thighs look better today because I can flex em more.

Originally Posted by solo47

One more thing, small amounts of Proviron, say 50 mg a day have not been shown to effect the functioning of one's natural HPTA; therefore, you should be able to use during PCT. HOWEVER, it definitely does not help the recovery of your HPTA and may be even harm it in some immeasurable way. Once PCT is done, however, and my own Test levels have returned, I'm on Schering Provi @ 50 mg ED off-cycle. On-cycle, like right now, I'm happily keeping my liver's attention by doing 100 mg ED.

Solo

Thanks for the heads up. Also thanks for clarifying the feel good vs the anabolic feelings.. I was considering running it through my cycle and pct, and afterwards.. Kind of like a vitamin :P I'll have to wait till after PCT, or just stop during PCT then start back up afterwards..

You really think brand matters? I figured generic would be fine.. :\