Test, Deca, Tren, Adrol in same cycle anyone????

[BIGSNOR]

hey in my new cycle im runnin test 1gram 1-15, Deca 400 1-12, Tren A 100mg ED 1-10, and Adrol 1-4 100mg. I know deca and tren is a no no in a cycle but i love tren, and i've never tried deca. what do you all think about this.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by BIGSNOR

hey in my new cycle im runnin test 1gram 1-15, Deca 400 1-12, Tren A 100mg ED 1-10, and Adrol 1-4 100mg. I know deca and tren is a no no in a cycle but i love tren, and i've never tried deca. what do you all think about this.

I wouldn't do it myself but it looks ok to me ... why no Deca and Tren in same cycle?

[BIGSNOR]

everyone says it will shut me down to hard. Both drugs are real hard on the hpta thought if i had all my ancillaries in check and did some hcg i'd be ok though.

[goldstone_77]

Tren increases progesterone aswell as Deca. So That is why it's a no no. "GYNO" Just trying to help bro! I would use test with the tren if I were you.

[Nate Dawg]

Actually I just started pretty much the exact cycle you stated, I am getting some dostinex for the progesterone sides and am taking HCG at 250IU 3x week to keep testicular atrophy at bay. Been on the test for a few weeks, just added the tren enan 10 days ago and added the NPP yesterday. Plan on starting the drol this weekend, if sides get too bad I will drop the drol first then next will be npp if it seems to be causing problems. The progestrone sides are a major concern for me, I have been taking B6 at 600mg/day and should have the dostinex in a week. I wouldnt use the anadrol, but I have a pl meet coming up in a few weeks and want just that much more of a boost. I have talked to a few guys at outlaw muscle that have ran test/tren/deca together and they all loved it, so I will just see what happens, here are my planned doses:

Test Enan 1000mg/week
Tren Enan 600mg/week
NPP 375mg/week
Anadrol 75mg/day

I would recommend having dostinex or bromo just incase you get gyno from the progesterone, because nolva wont help with that. If you start nolva at a low dose such as 10mg/day from the get go, supposedly it will help prevent progesterone gyno from forming since an excess of estrogen must be present for the progesterone to cause gyno, but once the gyno has started from progesterone, SERM's and AI's wont do you much good. I will let you all know how it goes for me.

[Deacon]

I have ran that type of cycle before and it worked well for me - I did not get any gyno - I am not prone to it - it does shut you down hard but the right PCT will get you right back up runnning in no time - the gains though were awesome for me!

[MANWHORE]

I'm assuming they say it because Tren and Deca are Nandro derived .. and being shut down without test isn't good .. i guess ... I just know that Tren is so androgenic that i doubt very much that you will have any symtoms of low androgens ... Some would recommend not taking Tren without Test because of lose of sexdrive but i did it and i felt the best i ever felt on any cycle

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by goldstone_77

Tren increases progesterone aswell as Deca.

yes but some have to worry and some don't. Test increases estrogen but you'll never know if your going to get gyno unless you try it ... How does Progesterone cause gyno?

[Nate Dawg]

It causes progesterone much in the same way as estrogen, but an excess of estrogen must be present for that to happen. Some still say you can take SERM's and AI's to help with progesterone gyno, but for me that was not the case at all. I notice when I get gyno from 4ad/test my nipples are very itchy as usual and swell up how they normally do and nolvadex or arimidex takes care of it right away. My last cycle with tren ace when I jacked my dose up, my nipples just swelled up and got some lumps and they hurt really bad, no itching though. I started nolvadex and even went up to 100mg/day of nolva and that didnt do a thing, so I narrowed out that it was caused from estrogen. I started B6 at 600mg/day and vitex at 2.5g/day and it cleared up in a matter of days. I have heard that if you start nolva from the get go at 10mg/day or so just to keep estro in check, the progesterone shouldnt cause any problems. This is just my experience with it, dont have anything scientific to prove any of this really, just what worked for me.

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Nate Dawg

It causes progesterone much in the same way as estrogen, but an excess of estrogen must be present for that to happen.

well i was going to mention this but i was hoping Goldstone could explain it better

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by MANWHORE

well i was going to mention this but i was hoping Goldstone could explain it better

if you research progesterone you will see that raising prolactin and progesterone levels in a male can cause a lot of shitty sides to occur - a good way to combat it is with Dostinex/ cabergoline which is a prolactin/ progesterone blocker

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Deacon

if you research progesterone you will see that raising prolactin and progesterone levels in a male can cause a lot of shitty sides to occur - a good way to combat it is with Dostinex/ cabergoline which is a prolactin/ progesterone blocker

I'm just saying that not everyone has to worry about them and i was also wondering if Progesterone caused these problems by working through the estrogen receptor. .. Since Anti-Es don't work i'm guessing it doesn't but isn't it true that higher than normal levels of estrogen are needed for Progesterone to cause negative sides? Also,what would be the difference in running 400mg Deca/week and 100mg Tren/day as to 150mg Tren/day and no Deca? I think that people just see TWO Progesterone causing AAS and think it means worse sides. Put it this way,if you aren't getting Gyno from Estrogen your not going to get it from Progesterone so stacking Deca and Tren will be fine .. and if you are worried about it,then do like you say. .. add the Anti-progesterone to the stack. .. I wouldn't use Deca in that stack anyway. It's too damn weak

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by MANWHORE

I'm just saying that not everyone has to worry about them and i was also wondering if Progesterone caused these problems by working through the estrogen receptor. .. Since Anti-Es don't work i'm guessing it doesn't but isn't it true that higher than normal levels of estrogen are needed for Progesterone to cause negative sides? Also,what would be the difference in running 400mg Deca/week and 100mg Tren/day as to 150mg Tren/day and no Deca? I think that people just see TWO Progesterone causing AAS and think it means worse sides. Put it this way,if you aren't getting Gyno from Estrogen your not going to get it from Progesterone so stacking Deca and Tren will be fine .. and if you are worried about it,then do like you say. .. add the Anti-progesterone to the stack. .. I wouldn't use Deca in that stack anyway. It's too damn weak

well since you asked - I have run test,tren and deca in the same cycle and I love it - hardness and strength from the tren and size and power from the deca/test - it is great IMO - however most hate the crash and the possible gyno related sides

if you dont get gyno that is a major plus - if you know how to handle the crash and PCT and recovery later - I see no concern runnning them together

[MANWHORE]

Originally Posted by Deacon

well since you asked - I have run test,tren and deca in the same cycle and I love it - hardness and strength from the tren and size and power from the deca/test - it is great IMO - however most hate the crash and the possible gyno related sides

if you dont get gyno that is a major plus - if you know how to handle the crash and PCT and recovery later - I see no concern runnning them together

If the crash was that bad i would run a low dose morning Dbol for as long as i need it but why would Deca inhibition be any worse than test or Tren

[Deacon]

Originally Posted by MANWHORE

If the crash was that bad i would run a low dose morning Dbol for as long as i need it but why would Deca inhibition be any worse than test or Tren

it is combining the two - deca/tren that cause a bad crash
and running that low dose d-bol in the morning doesnt work for everyone - better to run a lot of HCG IMO