Test. Enanthate and Dianabol

[thetribalmaster]

Ok this is my first proper cycle. I am 180llbs and 5'11 and 23 years old. Have been training for about 5 years but not always seriously as travel a fair bit.

This is what I have in mind. I would ideally like to run the test. for 12 weeks but time is limited.

1-6wks 25mg ED Dianabol

1-10wks 500mg per week Test. Enanthate

11-12wks HCG 500iu ED (2weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED

13,14,15wks Clomid (1day 300mg, 2-8 200mg ED, 9-16 100mg ED, 17-24 50mg ED)

I will probaby take 10mg of Nolvadex 1-10wks to reduce water retention and keep gyno at bay.

How much more benefical will shooting the test. twice a week be?

Thats it I think. Training and eating right am I right in thinking I should get good gains from this?

Many thanks in advance

[THL]

Originally Posted by thetribalmaster

Ok this is my first proper cycle. I am 180llbs and 5'11 and 23 years old. Have been training for about 5 years but not always seriously as travel a fair bit.

This is what I have in mind. I would ideally like to run the test. for 12 weeks but time is limited.

1-6wks 25mg ED Dianabol

1-10wks 500mg per week Test. Enanthate

11-12wks HCG 500iu ED (2weeks)
Nolvadex 20mg ED

13,14,15wks Clomid (1day 300mg, 2-8 200mg ED, 9-16 100mg ED, 17-24 50mg ED)

I will probaby take 10mg of Nolvadex 1-10wks to reduce water retention and keep gyno at bay.

How much more benefical will shooting the test. twice a week be?

Thats it I think. Training and eating right am I right in thinking I should get good gains from this?

Many thanks in advance

Looks good to me. If you eat right, train right, and get plenty of rest, I would guess you will be well over 200 lbs by the end. Your PCT looks good too so you should be able to keep most of it once it's over. Just make sure you keep training (not as intense though) and don't drop the calories too much and I'd guess you would keep at least 80% of your gains. Some people make the mistake of dieting hard right away to try to lose any extra fat they might have gained and end up losing a large percentage of their gains. Your body will be in a catabolic state for a while, so hard training, lots of cardio, and reduced calories is not what you want during your recovery.

[thetribalmaster]

Thanks for that THL.

One quick question as I have a slight problem. My father has got stage IV melanoma and am looking for this a positive thing to focus on at the moment. The gym is great outlet for me.

However timing wise it is making things difficult. If I had to change my cycle to a 8 weeks and used sust. instead, still at 500mg and shoot Mon, Wed, Fri. Would this affect my gains by much? I would still keep the dianabol the same. Or would I be better running test.prop Mon, Wed, Fri for 8 weeks.

For PCT:

Test Propionate would I start clomid 3 days after last shot and for 3 weeks
Is it worth doing HCG for those 3 days before clomid

Test Suspension Clomid 8 hours after for 2 weeks

Should i use nolvadex (20mg ED) with the Clomid?

What would allow me to keep better gains. I know test. is test. but PCT is different.

Sorry its a bit of a mess. Your thoughts please.

[thetribalmaster]

Any comments?

[Deacon]

just keep the cycle as is bro - what the diff 8 or 10 weeks?

start PCT after 2 weeks and run just nolva 40 mgs 14 days and then 20 mgs 14 days - no need to mix them with this cycle

HCG only if needed - if nuts shrink - 500 IUs eod from the last test shot until PCT

[TestRip7]

IMHO, I would only run the d-bol for 4 wks max. Six weeks is a long time to run a 17aa-oral steroid. Also make sure, since your are running an oral to take your milk thistle or liv-52 to keep your liver in check, and get blood work done before during and after the cycle to make sure all your lipid panel is in check with the norms or at least close. Some people can run d-bol for 2 weeks and destroy their liver and others use it for 7 or 8 weeks without any problem, but its better to be safe.
Good Luck with your cycle.

[miamiblue]

Hey bro, it seems like you have a good plan here. You might want to see what people think about taking Nolva weeks 1-10 (I think that's what you said). I've just heard you mainly want to start Nolva up during the cycle when bloat/gyno starts to occur. Also I too am curious about shooting twice a week rather than 1 time?