Test enanthate for cutting

[Président]

I'm gonna finish my bulking cycle(12 weeks) in a couple weeks.That was a test/tren enanthate cycle and i front load the first 4 weeks with dbol. I plan to extend my cycle with a low dose of test or dbol with letro or arimidex to maintain the gains while starting cutting phase, like 4 more weeks. Is it a good idea? I do want to spend money again on other cutting aas ,i have a bunch of dbol and enough test e amps. Any vets opinion?

[jsupstarz]

If you are going to extend it keep going w/ test not dbol. But if you already went 12 weeks your pretty much good. It's not gonna do a whole hell of a lot to extend 4 more weeks but make you wait longer for your next cycle. Steroids start to lose their effectiveness at the times you are talking about.

[PUMPED101]

i never understood how people can say steroid loose their effectiveness after 12 weeks...show me a study which prooves your claims JSUP...i would really like to see a medical study that shows that after 12 weeks steroids loose effectiveness.....your claim is nonsense

pres running the test for another 4 weeks is fine...run the letro keep your estrogen low and cut your colaires the test does will be perfect to spare you muslces while doing more cardio and cutting calories....also bro a bottle of clen is pretty cheap from research companies bro...and very effective for cutting..just a thought..

[jsupstarz]

If that was the TRUTH people that cycle all year around would weigh 900 lbs. You build up tolerances to doses after so long. It actually starts declining after 8weeks. I'll find it for ya!

[PUMPED101]

steroids such as test do not loose their effectiveness....you might not keep getting the rapid water gain that you get in the beggining but you can still keep putting on weight after week 12....

when shooting 500 mgs test e a wk.....after week 12 your test levels are still at 500mgsyou won't keep on gaining water like a ballon ....but the raised testorone will keep you body in high anabolic muscle building state...it also will still promote nitrogen rentention in the muscle at week 12 +, not only that but since testosterone is androgenic it can protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolism or muscle wasting even after 12+ wks...also testosterone has the ability to increase red blood cell production and a higher RBC count should improve endurance via better oxygenated blood....hence the use of EPO....this also stay in effect after 12+ wks....

the only ting you don't get after 10 + wks is the massive water gains...which is fake weight anways....

all the anabolic and androgenic effects i listed above still stay in effect after week 12 and beyond...which will all have a positive effect on the goals wether it be muscle gain, weight loss, etc....


maybe what you meant to say ....is explosive gains from water weight from test end around week 10-12.....i would agree with you on that

[Président]

do you think guys 250 mg every week is enough to maintain gains while cutting?

[dennis]

250 mgs per week ..yes.

[jsupstarz]

Originally Posted by PUMPED101

steroids such as test do not loose their effectiveness....you might not keep getting the rapid water gain that you get in the beggining but you can still keep putting on weight after week 12....

when shooting 500 mgs test e a wk.....after week 12 your test levels are still at 500mgsyou won't keep on gaining water like a ballon ....but the raised testorone will keep you body in high anabolic muscle building state...it also will still promote nitrogen rentention in the muscle at week 12 +, not only that but since testosterone is androgenic it can protect your hard earned muscle from the catabolism or muscle wasting even after 12+ wks...also testosterone has the ability to increase red blood cell production and a higher RBC count should improve endurance via better oxygenated blood....hence the use of EPO....this also stay in effect after 12+ wks....

the only ting you don't get after 10 + wks is the massive water gains...which is fake weight anways....

all the anabolic and androgenic effects i listed above still stay in effect after week 12 and beyond...which will all have a positive effect on the goals wether it be muscle gain, weight loss, etc....


maybe what you meant to say ....is explosive gains from water weight from test end around week 10-12.....i would agree with you on that

Here is George spellwin's take on it from "Chemical Wizardry"-
"The positive nitrogen balance that is a primary benefit of using steroids, diminishes after 6 to 8 weeks. The continued use of the steroids is therefore ineffective"
But he's probably an idiot.

[Grizzly]

Originally Posted by jsupstarz

If that was the TRUTH people that cycle all year around would weigh 900 lbs. You build up tolerances to doses after so long. It actually starts declining after 8weeks. I'll find it for ya!

Oh yeah, will you gloss over the article in the articles section on this board which indicates that in the presence of long term, high dose AS use, steroid receptors UPregulate?

[Président]

Some drugs downregulate receptors or get the metabolism tolerant, like catecholamines and benzodiazepines. Even if the body get used to some drugs, the drug themself continue is action. It is a non-sense to think that a drug discontinue is effects after a certain time.If it's the case, every diabetic will die because the insulin will not work after a long period, people on TRT will have no effects from their testosterone replacement after a long time, women who suffer from menopause will continue to have their symptoms even if they take estrogen,...